Hub Turn Meeting
01-31-2008, 03:37 PM
#51
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Look there's little question that McCain hates commercial pilots - just look back at some of the stuff he's said in the past - before he had presidential hopes.
Curious to see that in last month's ALPA magazine (yeah I know it generally sucks) they had Q&A for all the presidential candidates. All of the Democratic hopefuls answered in a positive light (i.e. pro-ALPA answers) although Hillary's was full of political mumbo jumbo where Obama gave straight answers. None of the GOP candidates even bothered to answer.
Curious to see that in last month's ALPA magazine (yeah I know it generally sucks) they had Q&A for all the presidential candidates. All of the Democratic hopefuls answered in a positive light (i.e. pro-ALPA answers) although Hillary's was full of political mumbo jumbo where Obama gave straight answers. None of the GOP candidates even bothered to answer.
01-31-2008, 04:02 PM
#52
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I'm not sure what you're point is...
I was just asking those that have heartburn with a labor organization endorsing a candidate that supports labor organizations, if ALPA's endorsement will affect their vote?
I doubt it.
But, I'm not going to get into a p**sing contest with anyone about it, on here. As, we aren't supposed to talk politics. Actually, I wouldn't get into a p**sing contest with anyone about it, anywhere. For that matter.
I was just asking those that have heartburn with a labor organization endorsing a candidate that supports labor organizations, if ALPA's endorsement will affect their vote?
I doubt it.
But, I'm not going to get into a p**sing contest with anyone about it, on here. As, we aren't supposed to talk politics. Actually, I wouldn't get into a p**sing contest with anyone about it, anywhere. For that matter.
01-31-2008, 08:46 PM
#53
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...and does anyone remember the event that shortly preceeded the TA offer?
UPS approving their contract.
Did FEDEX really want the UPS marketing/sales staff out making cold calls on our customers letting them know their pilots were under contract, while FDX was having protracted contract negogiations as we headed into peak??
It is amazing the slow dance UPS and FDX play in our little oligopoly...and how interelated we really are.
01-31-2008, 08:54 PM
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....however, why do you think people need to muster "the courage to speak up" at these meetings?
Who's responsible for setting the tone in a question and answer period?
Does the way questions are answered by the speakers encourage or discourage audience participation?
What precedents were recently set during the LOA hub turn meetings?
Yes, effective communication does cut both ways.
A'o Aloha,
DLax
01-31-2008, 08:55 PM
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Seeing as I have pledged to try to be more tactful on these boards, I have to say that I got a great laugh out of that post Tony.
This is not flame, and I mean no disrespect. But ALPA PAC will never see a penny of my money, ever. I will pay my taxes, er dues, attend our local meetings and bang my head against the wall of the MEC. I will continue to engage as best I can in the sausage making process that passes for union representation and participation around here.
A couple of things I won't do, however. I will never again participate in an ALPA survey, and I won't ever send money to ALPA PAC. I have moved on past age 60, but I have learned my lesson about our union and unity. Why in the wild, wild world of sports would I ever, ever, ever participate in a poll that the leadership has proven they will ignore, or provide a PAC that has demonstrated that they are lobbying completely 180 degrees out from my interests any more money to further lobby against me?
I'd be surprised if ALPA PAC pulls in 75% of what it did last year because ALPA leadership has completely disenfranchised so many pilots with its Benedict Arnold on age 60.
ALPA PAC, what a joke. That is a good one. ALPA just cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars and they now want me to donate more to the cause? That really is too much.
With all due respect, and no whining, of course. Just one disgruntled pilot's opinion. If others want to support the PAC, all the more power to them.
This is not flame, and I mean no disrespect. But ALPA PAC will never see a penny of my money, ever. I will pay my taxes, er dues, attend our local meetings and bang my head against the wall of the MEC. I will continue to engage as best I can in the sausage making process that passes for union representation and participation around here.
A couple of things I won't do, however. I will never again participate in an ALPA survey, and I won't ever send money to ALPA PAC. I have moved on past age 60, but I have learned my lesson about our union and unity. Why in the wild, wild world of sports would I ever, ever, ever participate in a poll that the leadership has proven they will ignore, or provide a PAC that has demonstrated that they are lobbying completely 180 degrees out from my interests any more money to further lobby against me?
I'd be surprised if ALPA PAC pulls in 75% of what it did last year because ALPA leadership has completely disenfranchised so many pilots with its Benedict Arnold on age 60.
ALPA PAC, what a joke. That is a good one. ALPA just cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars and they now want me to donate more to the cause? That really is too much.
With all due respect, and no whining, of course. Just one disgruntled pilot's opinion. If others want to support the PAC, all the more power to them.
01-31-2008, 08:59 PM
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...Regarding the webcast, etc....while it has merit and should be used for official presentations, I think hubturn meetings should allow a certain level of "Academic Freedom"....you can get a frank discussion, you can get a public discussion.....you can want both...you're not going to get it....Jakal
...but how is a "hub turn mtg" not already a public discussion?
...how does at least broadcasting that meeting in real time over a secure network to those same pilots who are elgible to walk into that meeting somehow change the target audience and therefore change the level of debate?
It appears that web-based technology may actually allow the union to hold a hub turn meeting in everyone's home town --- every time.
Why are some so adamant about not even giving it a try?
Last edited by DLax85; 01-31-2008 at 09:01 PM. Reason: typo
01-31-2008, 11:45 PM
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Once again --- overall, Excellent post.
...but how is a "hub turn mtg" not already a public discussion?
...how does at least broadcasting that meeting in real time over a secure network to those same pilots who are elgible to walk into that meeting somehow change the target audience and therefore change the level of debate?
It appears that web-based technology may actually allow the union to hold a hub turn meeting in everyone's home town --- every time.
Why are some so adamant about not even giving it a try?
...but how is a "hub turn mtg" not already a public discussion?
...how does at least broadcasting that meeting in real time over a secure network to those same pilots who are elgible to walk into that meeting somehow change the target audience and therefore change the level of debate?
It appears that web-based technology may actually allow the union to hold a hub turn meeting in everyone's home town --- every time.
Why are some so adamant about not even giving it a try?
02-01-2008, 02:48 AM
#58
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If ALPA endorses who I was planning on voting for, I'll need to re-evaluate. ALPA National has done very little well lately, in my opinion, other then put spin on decisions detrimental to the profession.
02-01-2008, 04:22 AM
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02-01-2008, 04:43 AM
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Actually, I suspect it's the lawyers idea for not making our "leadership" accountable for the things they say publicly? (in a format that the membership could store on their computers and play back to remind the leadership) I'll bet ALL the stuff posted on the ALPA website and ALPA mailings get the "legal review" BEFORE they get posted?
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