Busboy

Is it going to make a difference in how you vote?

TonyC

jagplt

T.. not sure what the point is here.

Micro

OK Jakal, I'm starting with your last paragraph.

I'll agree that a lot of info came out when the "professional negotiator" topic was raised. However, it did pi$$ me off when DW "attacks" a guy because he calls the contract a piece of cr*p and then demands that ONLY that guy can back up his statement on why he dislikes the contract. I could give him a LIST, but that's another topic.
I give DW (the top representitive of the union) a MAJOR pat on the back for finally standing up and not sugarcoating why it took so long to negotiate our contract. It's because we had/have so many jerks doing DP flying, vacation sell back, open time flying, etc. IT"S ABOUT TIME!! However, that response was related to the question of having professional negotiators (the gist of it being that it doesn't matter who we have negotiating but how we support them). While I agree with his rant, I'm still not convinced that an outside firm might not help with a new aspect or view on how we do things. We got a lot of info on who they used last time ("professionals"), what professional ALPA people are available, and who we have at FDX ALPA. I thank them for the info but WHY is it like pulling teeth to get this info to the crewforce. It's not like this topic hasn't been brought up before!!
I still don't think they (the union) understand why people are asking why we don't hire a professional firm or at least INVESTIGATE what they might be able to do for us. A lot of pilots don't think PILOTS should be the ones sitting directly across from a fortune 100 company. While I also agree that I don't think pilots SHOULD be at the table, Mike A (block 2 rep) told me he thinks it should be pilots at the table and that he is going to write an article explaining in detail how the negotiating team works and why the pilots need to be the ones AT the table. I'll keep an open mind till then, weigh what he says, and work with my rep if I still disagree. Hopefully this article hits the streets as soon as possible.

MD11Fr8Dog

Nice try Tony, but the link didn't exactly work, unless one was already logged into crewroom.alpa.org!

FDXLAG

It took so long to negotiate our contract because it took brown that long. Why was it in Fred's interest to make a deal early last contract? (Rhetorical) What incentives did we put in this contract to encourage a quick deal next time? (not rhetorical)

Bohica

Seeing as I have pledged to try to be more tactful on these boards, I have to say that I got a great laugh out of that post Tony.

This is not flame, and I mean no disrespect. But ALPA PAC will never see a penny of my money, ever. I will pay my taxes, er dues, attend our local meetings and bang my head against the wall of the MEC. I will continue to engage as best I can in the sausage making process that passes for union representation and participation around here.

A couple of things I won't do, however. I will never again participate in an ALPA survey, and I won't ever send money to ALPA PAC. I have moved on past age 60, but I have learned my lesson about our union and unity. Why in the wild, wild world of sports would I ever, ever, ever participate in a poll that the leadership has proven they will ignore, or provide a PAC that has demonstrated that they are lobbying completely 180 degrees out from my interests any more money to further lobby against me?

I'd be surprised if ALPA PAC pulls in 75% of what it did last year because ALPA leadership has completely disenfranchised so many pilots with its Benedict Arnold on age 60.

ALPA PAC, what a joke. That is a good one. ALPA just cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars and they now want me to donate more to the cause? That really is too much.

With all due respect, and no whining, of course. Just one disgruntled pilot's opinion. If others want to support the PAC, all the more power to them.

TonyC

Thanks for the assist. I didn't realize everyone's not continually signed in to alpa.org.


Since I seem to have lost my touch, I'll spell out what I tried to do with one picture. Your questions about the process can be answered by reading the appropriate section of the ALPA Administrative Manual.

First use your ALPA Member number and password to sign on to http://crewroom.alpa.org

Then, navigate through the e-Library link on the left side of the page to the Admin manual (e-Library > Adminitration > Administrative Manual > Section 100 (MS Word or PDF, your choice)), or follow this link as a shortcut: https://crewroom.alpa.org/DesktopMod...1588&Tabid=142.

(It's the same link as in the ALPA logo in my previous post.)

I suppose I could have cut and paste the actual text, but I thought folks might prefer to see it for themselves.




My apologies for the confusion.


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Gunter

Are you the pilot formerly known as TonyC?

nightfreight

I stopped payments to the PAC this year too.