New Union
01-23-2008, 04:25 PM
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New Union
What about starting a drive to vote ALPA off the property, and vote in an in-house union with bylaws that address the issues written about here? There's still time before the next contract is up for negotiation.
01-23-2008, 04:47 PM
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Been there- Done that....Midnight Parking lot contract!
01-23-2008, 05:14 PM
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From our ALPA website history:
ALPA leaders ask the FPA to do what is best for the FedEx pilot group as a whole. Even if they cannot support ALPA, they should at least support the current contract negotiations. Then once a contract is signed, the FPA is still free to petition the NMB for a new representational election. If they win, they will inherit the contract and avoid the added expense of negotiations on top of the startup costs of a new union. FPA leadership refuses.
1996:
2001:
Let's not go down this road again for the sake of someone that was not here for these three events. Voting out our current representation is not the answer. Getting involved to improve it should be our focus.
FDXer
1995:
In August, a group of pilots begin presenting the Fedex Pilots Association as an alternative to ALPA, claiming that the FPA would be able to negotiate a contract within six months for a total cost to the pilots of $50,000. Many pro-union pilots began to feel that an independent union was the only viable option to pull the now deeply fractured group together.
FPA begins collecting cards to force another representational vote. As a direct result, the ALPA contract negotiations currently underway are directly undermined. Management sees a divided crew force and stonewalls.
In August, a group of pilots begin presenting the Fedex Pilots Association as an alternative to ALPA, claiming that the FPA would be able to negotiate a contract within six months for a total cost to the pilots of $50,000. Many pro-union pilots began to feel that an independent union was the only viable option to pull the now deeply fractured group together.
FPA begins collecting cards to force another representational vote. As a direct result, the ALPA contract negotiations currently underway are directly undermined. Management sees a divided crew force and stonewalls.
ALPA leaders ask the FPA to do what is best for the FedEx pilot group as a whole. Even if they cannot support ALPA, they should at least support the current contract negotiations. Then once a contract is signed, the FPA is still free to petition the NMB for a new representational election. If they win, they will inherit the contract and avoid the added expense of negotiations on top of the startup costs of a new union. FPA leadership refuses.
1996:
On October 29, Fedex Pilots Association (FPA) is certified as the collective bargaining representative for FedEx pilots and embraces an "Interest-Based Bargaining" approach toward negotiations.
2001:
On December 11 the FPA Board of Directors approves the tentative agreement for merger with ALPA. Two days later, ALPA’s Executive Board meets and approves the tentative agreement as well. The merger document is sent out to the membership for review.
Let's not go down this road again for the sake of someone that was not here for these three events. Voting out our current representation is not the answer. Getting involved to improve it should be our focus.
FDXer
01-23-2008, 05:34 PM
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No? Well, you could have fooled me.
01-23-2008, 06:01 PM
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Absolutely, Positively, No.....
While I have not hesitated to voice my displeasure at times, there are countless people working tirelessly for the betterment of the pilot group....especially the MEC.
The solution to the problem is individual pilot involvement. There is no pill that can treat these issues. While you (collectively us) may not like some of the positions of the MEC, those guys are working pretty hard to look out for what they think are the best interests of the pilot group.
We may disagree on the issues, but I don't think that these guys that represent us are trying to hose us....that may be the result
, but I don't think that is the objective they're working towards....it is just the by-product
We need to have the maturity to recognize that it is not going to go "my way" all the time...that is the nature of collective bargaining. However displeased I may be at times, I am certainly pretty happy in general to have cast my lot in with the collective group. I like the guys I fly with, I love working for the company, and on a personal basis, I like the guys who are working on the MEC.
Sooner or later, the casting of darts has to stop. Now that we have their attention, lets work toward something positive. I have grown weary of the negativity that I have also participated in at times.
Let's try a new tack.
While I have not hesitated to voice my displeasure at times, there are countless people working tirelessly for the betterment of the pilot group....especially the MEC.
The solution to the problem is individual pilot involvement. There is no pill that can treat these issues. While you (collectively us) may not like some of the positions of the MEC, those guys are working pretty hard to look out for what they think are the best interests of the pilot group.
We may disagree on the issues, but I don't think that these guys that represent us are trying to hose us....that may be the result
, but I don't think that is the objective they're working towards....it is just the by-productWe need to have the maturity to recognize that it is not going to go "my way" all the time...that is the nature of collective bargaining. However displeased I may be at times, I am certainly pretty happy in general to have cast my lot in with the collective group. I like the guys I fly with, I love working for the company, and on a personal basis, I like the guys who are working on the MEC.
Sooner or later, the casting of darts has to stop. Now that we have their attention, lets work toward something positive. I have grown weary of the negativity that I have also participated in at times.
Let's try a new tack.
01-23-2008, 06:07 PM
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Feel free to dive in. The water's fine. I made the jump.
We need some new blood to work comm. I'd like to see the website improved and made more interactive. So--jump in and help out.
Hate comm? Lots of other areas need some oomph too. If someone kyboshes your interest--PM me. I'll help you get a vector.
We need some new blood to work comm. I'd like to see the website improved and made more interactive. So--jump in and help out.
Hate comm? Lots of other areas need some oomph too. If someone kyboshes your interest--PM me. I'll help you get a vector.
01-23-2008, 07:56 PM
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Feel free to dive in. The water's fine. I made the jump.
We need some new blood to work comm. I'd like to see the website improved and made more interactive. So--jump in and help out.
Hate comm? Lots of other areas need some oomph too. If someone kyboshes your interest--PM me. I'll help you get a vector.
We need some new blood to work comm. I'd like to see the website improved and made more interactive. So--jump in and help out.
Hate comm? Lots of other areas need some oomph too. If someone kyboshes your interest--PM me. I'll help you get a vector.
Was unceremoniously kicked to the curb by DW due to my calling the LOA a dog turd. His weasley little henchman (WR) who lurks here and then runs tattling to DW if he sees something counter to the party line was the instigator. I think the volunteers I worked with are the best. I think the curent crop we have as the MEC are dog vomit.
I wouldn't take another volunteer job, well, even if you PAID me! Now maybe 98 hours/month (every month) at the highest paying line I might take (like the MEC).... Vote me in as a block rep and I'll go at them again, but I won't be put in a situation where I have voice support for something I know sucks.
Just my 2 cents...
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