Leveled for Make up Vacation/FDX
01-22-2008, 06:25 AM
#2
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Don't think you can actually get MUV in the View/Add window until you are down to your last vacation period. And if you have hours left in the bank, pretty sure it won't let you add a MUV either.
While I haven't sat reserve very often, don't think you get any leveling for voluntary work.....but, only for trips actually assigned on a R day
Cheers
While I haven't sat reserve very often, don't think you get any leveling for voluntary work.....but, only for trips actually assigned on a R day
Cheers
01-22-2008, 10:06 AM
#3
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While I haven't sat reserve very often, don't think you get any leveling for voluntary work.....but, only for trips actually assigned on a R day
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01-22-2008, 01:32 PM
#4
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Readings from the book of the contract 7.G.5.a
The pilot may bid for a make-up vacation trip(s) during the View/Add window for the bid period in which the pilot has a vacation period that, if taken as scheduled, would result in a vacation bank deficit. The credit hour of the make-up vacation trip(s) shall not exceed the projected deficit by more than 6 hours.
As to what a defict means, don't know. To me, means the vacation bank going negative. What it means to the company, don't know.
7.G.5 indicates that you can do MUV any time the remaining hours in your bank are less than that of your remaining vacation period (s).....but, the View/Add option seems clear to me. What I don't know, is how the company applies it.
And leveling for a CIA seems different than a MUV trip. You can only get a CIA if you have a conflict, either with carryover or with training. And leveling for carryover is pretty clear. If I have a R line that is 15 straight R days at the end of the month, and I pick up a M/U trip prior to that.....do I get leveling because I voluntarily did extra?
But, why would I do MUV anyways? If I didn't want my vacation bank to go negative, I could always reduce my last vacation. While it might be nice to cherry pick a trip......why would I want to pick up a trip I can't drop and can't trade if something better comes along
The pilot may bid for a make-up vacation trip(s) during the View/Add window for the bid period in which the pilot has a vacation period that, if taken as scheduled, would result in a vacation bank deficit. The credit hour of the make-up vacation trip(s) shall not exceed the projected deficit by more than 6 hours.
As to what a defict means, don't know. To me, means the vacation bank going negative. What it means to the company, don't know.
7.G.5 indicates that you can do MUV any time the remaining hours in your bank are less than that of your remaining vacation period (s).....but, the View/Add option seems clear to me. What I don't know, is how the company applies it.
And leveling for a CIA seems different than a MUV trip. You can only get a CIA if you have a conflict, either with carryover or with training. And leveling for carryover is pretty clear. If I have a R line that is 15 straight R days at the end of the month, and I pick up a M/U trip prior to that.....do I get leveling because I voluntarily did extra?
But, why would I do MUV anyways? If I didn't want my vacation bank to go negative, I could always reduce my last vacation. While it might be nice to cherry pick a trip......why would I want to pick up a trip I can't drop and can't trade if something better comes along
01-23-2008, 07:07 AM
#5
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Readings from the book of the contract 7.G.5.a
The pilot may bid for a make-up vacation trip(s) during the View/Add window for the bid period in which the pilot has a vacation period that, if taken as scheduled, would result in a vacation bank deficit. The credit hour of the make-up vacation trip(s) shall not exceed the projected deficit by more than 6 hours.
As to what a defict means, don't know. To me, means the vacation bank going negative. What it means to the company, don't know.
7.G.5 indicates that you can do MUV any time the remaining hours in your bank are less than that of your remaining vacation period (s).....but, the View/Add option seems clear to me. What I don't know, is how the company applies it.
And leveling for a CIA seems different than a MUV trip. You can only get a CIA if you have a conflict, either with carryover or with training. And leveling for carryover is pretty clear. If I have a R line that is 15 straight R days at the end of the month, and I pick up a M/U trip prior to that.....do I get leveling because I voluntarily did extra?
But, why would I do MUV anyways? If I didn't want my vacation bank to go negative, I could always reduce my last vacation. While it might be nice to cherry pick a trip......why would I want to pick up a trip I can't drop and can't trade if something better comes along
The pilot may bid for a make-up vacation trip(s) during the View/Add window for the bid period in which the pilot has a vacation period that, if taken as scheduled, would result in a vacation bank deficit. The credit hour of the make-up vacation trip(s) shall not exceed the projected deficit by more than 6 hours.
As to what a defict means, don't know. To me, means the vacation bank going negative. What it means to the company, don't know.
7.G.5 indicates that you can do MUV any time the remaining hours in your bank are less than that of your remaining vacation period (s).....but, the View/Add option seems clear to me. What I don't know, is how the company applies it.
And leveling for a CIA seems different than a MUV trip. You can only get a CIA if you have a conflict, either with carryover or with training. And leveling for carryover is pretty clear. If I have a R line that is 15 straight R days at the end of the month, and I pick up a M/U trip prior to that.....do I get leveling because I voluntarily did extra?
But, why would I do MUV anyways? If I didn't want my vacation bank to go negative, I could always reduce my last vacation. While it might be nice to cherry pick a trip......why would I want to pick up a trip I can't drop and can't trade if something better comes along
01-23-2008, 07:28 AM
#7
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First off, I won't get leveled for anything, I have a regular line, not reserve. Second off, I haven't given up 2 VAC days, how do you figure? I used 8+23 more than I had coming into 2008, and have used +01 less than I was scheduled for VAC so far in 2008. How did I give up 2 VAC days?
01-23-2008, 09:14 AM
#8
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Bummer that you have a reg line and won't be able to answer whether MUV gets leveling or not.
Second, Sorry, read your post as if you had input a request for MUV....if you had, in February you had 8 days of vacation and knocked out 48 hours of BLG, leaving you with 23.6 (+- .1) hours left to get up to the average BLG....roughly 4 more days of work. A request for up to 14+22 mins of MUV to make up for the deficit you carried into 2008 is.....roughly 2 extra days of work compared to what you would be working had no MUV been requested.
And, still think any makeup w/out trip guarantee isn't in any pilots best interest. Any trip I can't trade or drop are all trips I just don't want to do.....Other than the Capt Line check
Second, Sorry, read your post as if you had input a request for MUV....if you had, in February you had 8 days of vacation and knocked out 48 hours of BLG, leaving you with 23.6 (+- .1) hours left to get up to the average BLG....roughly 4 more days of work. A request for up to 14+22 mins of MUV to make up for the deficit you carried into 2008 is.....roughly 2 extra days of work compared to what you would be working had no MUV been requested.
And, still think any makeup w/out trip guarantee isn't in any pilots best interest. Any trip I can't trade or drop are all trips I just don't want to do.....Other than the Capt Line check
01-23-2008, 09:55 AM
#9
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Bummer that you have a reg line and won't be able to answer whether MUV gets leveling or not.
Second, Sorry, read your post as if you had input a request for MUV....if you had, in February you had 8 days of vacation and knocked out 48 hours of BLG, leaving you with 23.6 (+- .1) hours left to get up to the average BLG....roughly 4 more days of work. A request for up to 14+22 mins of MUV to make up for the deficit you carried into 2008 is.....roughly 2 extra days of work compared to what you would be working had no MUV been requested.
And, still think any makeup w/out trip guarantee isn't in any pilots best interest. Any trip I can't trade or drop are all trips I just don't want to do.....Other than the Capt Line check
Second, Sorry, read your post as if you had input a request for MUV....if you had, in February you had 8 days of vacation and knocked out 48 hours of BLG, leaving you with 23.6 (+- .1) hours left to get up to the average BLG....roughly 4 more days of work. A request for up to 14+22 mins of MUV to make up for the deficit you carried into 2008 is.....roughly 2 extra days of work compared to what you would be working had no MUV been requested.
And, still think any makeup w/out trip guarantee isn't in any pilots best interest. Any trip I can't trade or drop are all trips I just don't want to do.....Other than the Capt Line check
While I generally agree with you about not doing trips without trip guarentee, I have done MUV in the past, and here is why I did it. A couple of years ago, after my third VAC period of the year, I already had a negative balance with a Thanksgiving VAC still to come. If you do not have a positive VAC balance you can NOT exercise your VAC during a scheduled VAC month. I was about 5 hours in the hole on VAC so I did a trip in MUV status to bring my balance back into the positive - think it was 9 hour trip with a DH on it. I then had a positive balance and knocked out a 24+ hr trip over Thanksgiving and carried a 20+ negative balance into the next year! So while I generally agree about not doing MUV, I had a scenario where it was in my interest to do one!
About getting leveling for MUV, I don't think you can get that. Example, if you extend your VAC on a reserve line, you will get leveled for all of the VAC, including that over the scheduled VAC hours. For instance, 7 days = 42 hrs, extended to 10 days = ~45 hrs of VAC from bank. You could then be eligible for 3 + 6 = 9 hrs of MUV. Should you then get leveled for some of the hours you are already getting leveled for? Just something to think about.
BTW, this is my 2000th post! Thanks Vagabond for pointing this out to me!
01-23-2008, 06:52 PM
#10
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MUV/MUS gotcha
If you pickup in the MUS, MUD, MUV catagory those are considered to not have trip guarantee. Not a big deal unless the trip doesn't go. If you get bumped for training---you do not get paid. Once you have the trip, you cannot drop it, trade it or do a mutual PDO bump for it. The trip is now yours, you must fly it. (unless your vision problem crops up)
