Daniel Larusso

In the words of Michael Kelso............BURN!!

DLax85

A little blue bird wearing a tie and pin-stripes tells me the DC-10 excess bid will be in all seats.

The guys 63-65 will not be offered training but paid passover.

Toccata

What your bird likely meant to say is that the excess bid will reduce the manning in each seat to the number the department has calculated they will need at the end of that cycle.

The S/O seat being in the first excess bid is not a surety.

0801 provides the capability of bidding out of the back to hold one of 42 domestic widebody captain primary vacancies, 35 domestic narrowbody captain primary vacancies, or 12 domestic narrowbody F/O primary seats. And, of course, HKG and CDG.

The Feb DC10 Bidpack shows 118 S/O's, with 22 as pay-only.

I can guarantee you that their staffing model is not for some number of S/O seats in the neighborhood of 40-50 for 2008. Depending on what happens in 0801, they might even actually - as ridiculous as it sounds - need to have a vacancy bid for the S/O seat in 0802.

It's actually a dice rolling time for some that are not real senior - if an over-60 S/O holds out to get what he wants (excess bid) vs. what he can hold in 0801, he may have to wait until a late 2008/early 2009 excess bid. And, as I read it, without passover pay.

"So.... the question is..... ya feelin' lucky, punk?"

Gunter

That's only a 30% reduction in flying from min BLG. How many seats are 10% or more overmanned. How many will be 20% or more overmanned after the excess bid and 10% reduction in 727 fleet? How much flying going onto lines line now could be put into open time and get swooped up in no time? 10%?

Hmmm......

fdxmd11fo

Why would the company have an excess bid when we are overmanned in almost every seat. Why not just do vacancy bids and leave the over 60 guys in the back making the same as if they retire.

If I were mgt I would keep 1 DC-10 and overman it to the max extent with over 60 guys. force them to either sit airport standby for their paycheck or drop R-Days and not get paid.

As soon as they figure out that they won't be upgrading anytime soon I think that a lot of them would go ahead and retire, helping to solve our overmanning issue

bustinmins

This sounds like the new domestic solve....Mesa Style

Back to the rant

fecav8r

Just talked to a bud of mine who was bragging that he had bid his line up to 130+ hours for Jan. Another thread on here had a guy say he was at about 130 as well. Now, before I would even consider going below the min BLG we have now I would demand that the carryover be controlled and we put a Max BLG in effect as well as a min.

jagplt

guess we need a carryover thread...