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Old 01-09-2008, 07:42 PM
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DOH! Must.... not.......... write.. about....... Willy! Mods.......... don't......... have .. sense........... of.................... humor!
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
Oh, yeah, now I understand. Nice job. When do you graduate elementary school? Hopefully soon.

And she's not the first to use a hand puppet in the jet. A friend of mine who flies for Delta told me he flew a 3 day pairing with a captain who ran the entire cockpit with a hand puppet named Willie, as in Willie says "Before Start Checklist", and Willie says "After Takeoff Checklist." Part of the 2% rule possibly.

Good, I thought if I went slowly you could get it.
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Old 01-10-2008, 11:16 AM
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If she flies past age 60, will she have to shift to a Support Hose Puppet?
Ouch........thanks for the visual. NOT!
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Old 01-10-2008, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
And before the rest of you go off on P.A., I would like to relate a short story about her. A number of years ago, one of our first officers was having some real health issues, but was out of sick time and had no sick bank to draw from. P.M. stepped up and PDO bumped this guy on a whole week long trip. Twice, within a few months. How many of us would have done that? I think not many. The fact that she's odd as the Mad Hatter, well that's another issue. But deep down, she's a good person, with a very big heart. Or at least she used to be.
Yea thats great. I'm sure she is a great person deep down inside. But do you really think someone who communicates via sock puppet needs to be in a cockpit, let alone a Capt?
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Old 01-11-2008, 02:57 AM
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I'm not passing judgment on if she needs to be in a cockpit. The company, their psychiatrists, and the FAA doctors can determine that. I was only saying that she is not a bad person.
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Old 01-11-2008, 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
The company, their psychiatrists, and the FAA doctors can determine that.
"Can" is really "who will". Unfortunately, that statement needs to include ALPA, and although never stated, (primarily for the company and ALPA) includes the white elephant of current litigation, potential litigation, and accused, implied, or threatened discrimination (pick your flavor), all which corrupt the capability of the process to really be solely based on performance, competence, and safety.

In reality, as in other professions, your peers who see you operate day to day are really the best at those determinations.

In my Fathers surgical time, a physician worked at the same hospital whose nickname was "the butcher" (the physician, not the hospital). He was never allowed to operate without another fully qualified surgeon in attendance 'assisting'. And the whole goal of the hospital administrative staff was to get him moved on to another location, so he was someone else's problem. According to the AMA, no sub-standard physician existed. EVER. Could not happen.

Gee......sounds kinda like ALPA's position quite often.............

And, I doubt she's would be seeing a psychiatrist - probably a psychologist. If she's being treated by a psychiatrist, doubt she could fly with any medicine that would be prescribed. But man, if you've ever been around psychologists..........

The perfect profession - if you want, you get to both 'invent' diseases, and determine when someone is cured! Nice.............

(She had puppehypopsychosyndrome...... but it's under control now... virtually cured.........)

(And, by the way, I'm writing a book on it!!! Hope to be on Oprah!!)
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Old 01-11-2008, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
I'm not passing judgment on if she needs to be in a cockpit. The company, their psychiatrists, and the FAA doctors can determine that. I was only saying that she is not a bad person.
Follow up - in my opinion, you, if you fly with her, are exactly the person who should be passing such judgment. On capability, not need.

Not banging on JJ here; the subject of incompetence, or unsafe crewmembers, being allowed to remain in the cockpit is kinda a sore one with me.
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Old 01-11-2008, 07:13 AM
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In reality, as in other professions, your peers who see you operate day to day are really the best at those determinations.

In my Fathers surgical time, a physician worked at the same hospital whose nickname was "the butcher" (the physician, not the hospital). He was never allowed to operate without another fully qualified surgeon in attendance 'assisting'. And the whole goal of the hospital administrative staff was to get him moved on to another location, so he was someone else's problem. According to the AMA, no sub-standard physician existed. EVER. Could not happen.

And, I doubt she's would be seeing a psychiatrist - probably a psychologist. If she's being treated by a psychiatrist, doubt she could fly with any medicine that would be prescribed. But man, if you've ever been around psychologists..........

[from your next post] Follow up - in my opinion, you, if you fly with her, are exactly the person who should be passing such judgment. On capability, not need.

Not banging on JJ here; the subject of incompetence, or unsafe crewmembers, being allowed to remain in the cockpit is kinda a sore one with me.
It is indeed a sad commentary that large organizations or professions can and do allow those not qualified to practice their craft, and like your dad's profession, just look to pawn that person off on another unsuspecting organization, instead of initiating the proper procedures to have that person removed from said profession. You'd think that we'd have learned that lesson from the Catholic Church by now. The cost in lives and suffering (and financial payouts) has been gigantic, and all they continued to do was to move their sick priests from one parish to another.

Our profession is slightly better because of the safeguards of line checks, simulator proficiency checks and no-notice check rides. However, some still manage to slip through the cracks. Due in part to the fact that pilots are usually very bright folks, and even a sub-standard pilot can muster him/her self for a ride or two, a couple of times a year. That coupled with sub-standard medical exams, where the sole purpose is to pass an individual, and we have an industry where a very small percentage of pilots, who should not be anywhere within 100 feet of an airplane, are in fact operating as flight deck crewmembers.

That said, if someone who was "sick" in some manner, but has been treated and released, and can pass the normal requirements, both mental as well as physical, of the job, than that person (I believe) should be allowed to continue in their chosen profession, or at least be given the opportunity to show that they are capable of doing the job. I also feel that someone with a history of either mental or physical sickness should be followed both more closely and more frequently, to allow for early detection of a recurrence of that or other related issues.

As for me being "exactly the person who should be passing such judgment" on PA, well, it ain't gonna happen. I've always disliked her and found her uncomfortable to be around. As well, although I'm no Hollywood, she's not particularly pleasing on the eyes. Since she's senior to me, if we have to fly together, we'll fly together. I'll not like it, but I'll do it. Probably won't meet for adult beverages however.
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Old 01-11-2008, 08:00 AM
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Unless you're going to the right seat of the Bus I don't think you'll get the (dis)pleasure. I just noticed she's back on the Bus bid pack Captain seniority list as Pay Only. I assume she's in training for the Bus or MD. This is really bad news since she has made a history of suing people who question her competence, both here and in her previous career so I think the "fair and unbalanced" approach to her training is already compromised. If you're the FO that has to fly with her after her impending retraining, I pity you....
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Old 01-11-2008, 08:13 AM
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As someone who's flown with some "strange" captains, I'll tell you what someone told me a number of years ago when I was about to fly my first trip with B.M. the wife-swapping king. He said "start drinking heavily."
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