No sleep rooms for you!!
01-01-2008, 11:03 AM
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We called the duty officer...many of us called the duty officer. We were told that Brainerd or whatever his name is, is in charge of the AOC facilities. He is that old british guy in a tie that I think runs the flight coordination interns or something. He made it quite clear that we could not get the rooms. Let me remind everyone that there were exactly 6 outbound flights in the morning. So just about every sleep chair in the whole place was full with almost all of the sleep rooms open. Yep, been gone since before xmas, got off a ten hour flight, watched Dick Clark wish me a happy new year and then got denied. I was pretty tired and slightly grumpy at the time and fortunately didn't say anything I would regret later, but just don't get the reasoning here at all.
The pilot sleep rooms should be able to be used by sleepy pilots. It's pure BS, don't know how else to say it. ***?
The pilot sleep rooms should be able to be used by sleepy pilots. It's pure BS, don't know how else to say it. ***?
01-01-2008, 01:29 PM
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I can see your point, if the place was empty, but I also was under the impression that the rooms were only available for hub turners and standbys.
If people are using them if they come in from a flight and are jumpseating out, and that's the reason why "all the rooms are full" I'd be ticked off!
But, like the original post said, "I guess somebody decided that only hub turns and stbys can get rooms, no matter what." I thought that was the policy anyway.
If people are using them if they come in from a flight and are jumpseating out, and that's the reason why "all the rooms are full" I'd be ticked off!
But, like the original post said, "I guess somebody decided that only hub turns and stbys can get rooms, no matter what." I thought that was the policy anyway.
01-01-2008, 01:51 PM
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I disagree. This type of thing goes on each and every Christmas and New Years. A number of years ago I was operating as an Airbus F/O. It was Christmas eve and we were scheduled to fly from Memphis up to IAD, then layover for two days and fly back. The Captain, along with his wife, who was a US Airways pilot, riding our jumpseat, were going to go to the National Cathedral for Christmas Mass, while I was going to jumpseat home for the holiday. Upon our block in at the ramp at IAD, the ramp agent came up and told us we weren't laying over, but had to operate back to Memphis. Needless to say, the Captain was beside himself, but when we landed in Memphis, at about 11 P.M., he and his wife went back to their home. I, on the other hand was now in a place I'd not planned on, so I went to the desk and asked for a sleep room. I was told "NO", but after I talked with the Duty Officer, a room was provided, and the next morning I jumped home.
A suggestion to management might be to allow guys to use the sleep rooms, on these particular nights, for no reason at all, except the fact that they're there. This doesn't have to be a precedent, just a nice humanitarian gesture, on the part of management, for guys doing the company's business, while away from home on these holidays. This is a wheel that doesn't need to be reinvented each and every year.
A suggestion to management might be to allow guys to use the sleep rooms, on these particular nights, for no reason at all, except the fact that they're there. This doesn't have to be a precedent, just a nice humanitarian gesture, on the part of management, for guys doing the company's business, while away from home on these holidays. This is a wheel that doesn't need to be reinvented each and every year.
You disagree with what? Calling the DO when a low level employee denies a request that goes against policy but makes sense? Or the fact that you should have to call the DO at all? This type of thing goes on in every large organization. The policy probably makes sense most of the time but obviously didn't in this case. The only recourse at that point is call the DO or suck it up. Griping about it on a message board but not taking any action is just plain stupid.
However, it appears they did the right thing and still got denied. I agree that's BS. The next step I guess would be to take it to your ACP.
01-01-2008, 02:57 PM
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riding the J/S does not count as duty time, if the FAA ever does decide to count it as duty time, the no harm provision goes away (26.J.2.e)
The no harm/no foul provision on staging only comes into play if you are within the 13:30 limits.....but, it isn't verboten to fly beyond that. in the past FedEx has frowned on it......but, I have never heard of anyone's judgment questioned over this issue.
and the sleep rooms are for operating hub turns and standbys. the heartburn is that on the day prior to a federal holiday, really aren't any hub turns so why not help a brother out. (no domestic outbound legs on New Years, or the 4th of July)
disappointed the DO didn't help the boys out, but, not that surprised. For those impacted, I would kick it over to my ACP and give them the opportunity to help.
The no harm/no foul provision on staging only comes into play if you are within the 13:30 limits.....but, it isn't verboten to fly beyond that. in the past FedEx has frowned on it......but, I have never heard of anyone's judgment questioned over this issue.
and the sleep rooms are for operating hub turns and standbys. the heartburn is that on the day prior to a federal holiday, really aren't any hub turns so why not help a brother out. (no domestic outbound legs on New Years, or the 4th of July)
disappointed the DO didn't help the boys out, but, not that surprised. For those impacted, I would kick it over to my ACP and give them the opportunity to help.
01-01-2008, 03:09 PM
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JJ,
You disagree with what? Calling the DO when a low level employee denies a request that goes against policy but makes sense? Or the fact that you should have to call the DO at all? This type of thing goes on in every large organization. The policy probably makes sense most of the time but obviously didn't in this case. The only recourse at that point is call the DO or suck it up. Griping about it on a message board but not taking any action is just plain stupid.
However, it appears they did the right thing and still got denied. I agree that's BS. The next step I guess would be to take it to your ACP.
You disagree with what? Calling the DO when a low level employee denies a request that goes against policy but makes sense? Or the fact that you should have to call the DO at all? This type of thing goes on in every large organization. The policy probably makes sense most of the time but obviously didn't in this case. The only recourse at that point is call the DO or suck it up. Griping about it on a message board but not taking any action is just plain stupid.
However, it appears they did the right thing and still got denied. I agree that's BS. The next step I guess would be to take it to your ACP.
01-01-2008, 03:23 PM
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I thought about that, but it's only on the above mentioned nights, possibly adding Easter, when those rooms are lightly used. But you're right, it could lead to a bad precedent. But offering to pay a small fee, on those nights, would disarm the companys excuse of not having help to clean up the rooms.
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