FDX pilots stood together?
12-16-2007, 10:59 PM
#11
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Sorry guys. I'm not getting this thread and the thrust that all the 757 IPs quit. I've just read the DW email and I didn't get it from that. I guess I'm thinking that I would have heard it via an email asking for all hands on deck to apply.
So, is this really the case and if so, does anyone know what the training plan is for the guys who bid it--assuming there is nobody to train them?
Just wondering.
WM
So, is this really the case and if so, does anyone know what the training plan is for the guys who bid it--assuming there is nobody to train them?
Just wondering.
WM
12-17-2007, 05:00 AM
#12
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[quote=Wildmanny;281428...I guess I'm thinking that I would have heard it via an email asking for all hands on deck to apply....[/quote]
Check out this FCIF issued 3 weeks ago....
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Issued: 11/26/07 2319z
Openings exist for Memphis and Paris based B757 Line Check Airmen. Resumesfor these positions will be accepted through the close of business, FridayDecember 7, 2007.Candidates for this position must have been awarded the B757 Captain crewstatus on posting 07-03. Refer to the Pilot Contract, Section 11.L. forfurther information regarding the Line Check Airmen Program....
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Check out this FCIF issued 3 weeks ago....
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Issued: 11/26/07 2319z
Openings exist for Memphis and Paris based B757 Line Check Airmen. Resumesfor these positions will be accepted through the close of business, FridayDecember 7, 2007.Candidates for this position must have been awarded the B757 Captain crewstatus on posting 07-03. Refer to the Pilot Contract, Section 11.L. forfurther information regarding the Line Check Airmen Program....
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Last edited by DLax85; 12-17-2007 at 05:01 AM. Reason: formatting
12-17-2007, 05:14 AM
#13
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As more information becomes available, from a variety of sources, it's becoming more apparent to me what happened with the initial cadre of 757 instructors is muddy at best --- and the story seems to change depending on what angle you are viewing the issue / course of events.
Regardless, I added my "hats off to the 757 instructors for standing their ground" comment because I was impressed that someone stood up and said "Sorry, No thanks...your offer is not adequate" and then backed it up by sticking together and collectively not bidding it.
Lesson learned ---- if we stand together, we have leverage.
A'o Aloha,
Regardless, I added my "hats off to the 757 instructors for standing their ground" comment because I was impressed that someone stood up and said "Sorry, No thanks...your offer is not adequate" and then backed it up by sticking together and collectively not bidding it.
Lesson learned ---- if we stand together, we have leverage.
A'o Aloha,
Last edited by DLax85; 12-17-2007 at 05:14 AM. Reason: spelling
12-17-2007, 06:36 AM
#14
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Company: "Joe Pilot we would like you to be involved in the initial cadre for the 757. However you are currently being paid WB passover and for this to happen we need you to pay back all accumulated passover pay and drop to a narrowbody pay rate."
Joe Pilot: "Where do I sign and can you just set up payroll deduct for that $150,000 ?"
These guys did not buy that deal ? Sounds pretty good to me.
12-17-2007, 07:04 AM
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Don't think that I am pointing a finger at anyone. Plenty of folks around here who will do that.
Just laying down that, per the CBA, the instructors were required to bid 757 in order to remain instructors on it after the bid. Also, per the CBA, any accumulated passover would need to be paid back after a bid that gives you an award different than that which gave you passover in the first place.
Just laying down that, per the CBA, the instructors were required to bid 757 in order to remain instructors on it after the bid. Also, per the CBA, any accumulated passover would need to be paid back after a bid that gives you an award different than that which gave you passover in the first place.
12-17-2007, 07:23 AM
#16
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Don't think that I am pointing a finger at anyone. Plenty of folks around here who will do that.
Just laying down that, per the CBA, the instructors were required to bid 757 in order to remain instructors on it after the bid. Also, per the CBA, any accumulated passover would need to be paid back after a bid that gives you an award different than that which gave you passover in the first place.
Just laying down that, per the CBA, the instructors were required to bid 757 in order to remain instructors on it after the bid. Also, per the CBA, any accumulated passover would need to be paid back after a bid that gives you an award different than that which gave you passover in the first place.
And therein lies the problem. Who would have volunteered? Who would have passed the FAA muster? The 757 guys were either recruited (majority) and then some submitted resumes on their own. Some were offered passover and some were not. Some guys even volunteered to pay it back. The comment about the FLEX / LCA's working their own deals was very accusatory and was prejudicial by DW and the result was inflammatory toward the instructors. The training department initiated these deals, not the FLEX/LCA's. The same offer should have been given to all and avoided the politics.
12-17-2007, 07:28 AM
#17
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Don't think that I am pointing a finger at anyone. Plenty of folks around here who will do that.
Just laying down that, per the CBA, the instructors were required to bid 757 in order to remain instructors on it after the bid. Also, per the CBA, any accumulated passover would need to be paid back after a bid that gives you an award different than that which gave you passover in the first place.
Just laying down that, per the CBA, the instructors were required to bid 757 in order to remain instructors on it after the bid. Also, per the CBA, any accumulated passover would need to be paid back after a bid that gives you an award different than that which gave you passover in the first place.
I did not think you were saying the Company was approaching the issue that way, just a meager attempt at humor !
Fly Safe
2cyl
12-17-2007, 08:50 AM
#18
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Sorry guys. I'm not getting this thread and the thrust that all the 757 IPs quit. I've just read the DW email and I didn't get it from that. I guess I'm thinking that I would have heard it via an email asking for all hands on deck to apply.
So, is this really the case and if so, does anyone know what the training plan is for the guys who bid it--assuming there is nobody to train them?
Just wondering.
WM
So, is this really the case and if so, does anyone know what the training plan is for the guys who bid it--assuming there is nobody to train them?
Just wondering.
WM
12-17-2007, 04:04 PM
#19
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Pardon me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that when you enter into a negotiation with the company outside of the contract to get wide body pay when the pay scale for the aircraft is narrow body, to get the money and stay in MEM and not have to bid the aircraft or domicile, and then find that there actually is a contract that you have to follow and cannot circumvent it, is both sad and funny!
I don't have any sympathy for the instructors in this and I DO NOT GIVE ANY RESPECT TO ANYONE WHO QUITS BECAUSE THEY DID NOT GET THEIR GOOD DEAL!
I don't have any sympathy for the instructors in this and I DO NOT GIVE ANY RESPECT TO ANYONE WHO QUITS BECAUSE THEY DID NOT GET THEIR GOOD DEAL!
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