FDX - Application Of New Law
12-15-2007, 10:37 AM
#31
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Gear Monkey
Posts: 3,199
This is such crap. Can someone point out the specific language in the law and contractual sections that will enable the guys that already turned 60 to return to the front seats??? How are they getting away with this?
It is one thing that the age changed but having these re-treads come back to the front really fires me up. I'm ready to get a little lawsuit going myself on behalf of the majority that is getting screwed....I don't see why not, they have jammed this down our throats from the beginning against the will of the masses and I am p1ssed.
They have stolen career potential and salary straight from our pockets.
Furious young guy,
boost
It is one thing that the age changed but having these re-treads come back to the front really fires me up. I'm ready to get a little lawsuit going myself on behalf of the majority that is getting screwed....I don't see why not, they have jammed this down our throats from the beginning against the will of the masses and I am p1ssed.
They have stolen career potential and salary straight from our pockets.
Furious young guy,
boost
Just out of curiosity did you not know this has been going on all summer?
...that our MEC is the one that went up to ALPA National and had the retroactivity language changed such that our over 60 SOs (i.e. active flightdeck crewmembers) could bid back to a window seat?
Just wondering how guys could not be aware this has been in the works for over 6+ months.
Thanks
12-15-2007, 02:51 PM
#34
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Retired
Posts: 3,717
I don't think that someone going through the 727 s/o course could have a training failure in a month, seeing as how it takes a lot longer to get through the program. As well, I believe that according to the FAA, someone who has less than 2 years out of a cockpit, can return to that aircraft and seat, with a minimum of training. Guys at NWA seem to change jets on a very frequent basis, and all with maybe just a sim or two and a line check.
12-15-2007, 03:20 PM
#35
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: B757/CA
Posts: 61
Lets say this same over 60 guy says he's done with training and wants back to his previous seat position. Does he have to wait for a bid or can he return since he's only been out of his previous seat for a month or two? I can see a bunch of loop holes in our contract that's going to allow this guys back without a bid!!!
12-15-2007, 05:16 PM
#36
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Retired
Posts: 3,717
I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Did you all read the following FCIF? Maybe this will answer some short range questions.
President Bush signed the legislation last night (December 13, 2007) that
extends the age 60 provisions, as defined in FAR 121.383(c), to Age 65.
As indicated in my communications on age 60 earlier this year, the Company
will administer this regulatory change in accordance with current CBA
rules. We are examining those rules at this time and will be consulting
with both the FAA and your ALPA representation to insure this regulatory
change is addressed properly.
Speculation by pilots as to how this rule change may affect your current
or future crew position is premature, as finite details of this rule and
how it may or may not be in conflict with provisions of the CBA, are still
under review.
Please be assured that the Company will meet its legal and regulatory
obligations. In the meantime, please refrain from calling Crew Resource
Planning, Flight Training, or your Chief Pilot in an attempt to gain
insight or advantage into this complex issue, as they do not have
information to give you. We, along with FedEx ALPA, will advise all
crewmembers of the nuances required by this rule change once we have that
information.
Remember, Safety First. Please remain vigilant against distractions of
this nature in the performance of your job.
Thank you for your patience as we work through this difficult issue.
Captain PC
V.P. Flight Operations
President Bush signed the legislation last night (December 13, 2007) that
extends the age 60 provisions, as defined in FAR 121.383(c), to Age 65.
As indicated in my communications on age 60 earlier this year, the Company
will administer this regulatory change in accordance with current CBA
rules. We are examining those rules at this time and will be consulting
with both the FAA and your ALPA representation to insure this regulatory
change is addressed properly.
Speculation by pilots as to how this rule change may affect your current
or future crew position is premature, as finite details of this rule and
how it may or may not be in conflict with provisions of the CBA, are still
under review.
Please be assured that the Company will meet its legal and regulatory
obligations. In the meantime, please refrain from calling Crew Resource
Planning, Flight Training, or your Chief Pilot in an attempt to gain
insight or advantage into this complex issue, as they do not have
information to give you. We, along with FedEx ALPA, will advise all
crewmembers of the nuances required by this rule change once we have that
information.
Remember, Safety First. Please remain vigilant against distractions of
this nature in the performance of your job.
Thank you for your patience as we work through this difficult issue.
Captain PC
V.P. Flight Operations
12-15-2007, 05:36 PM
#37
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: MD-11 FO
Posts: 608
Lets say this same over 60 guy says he's done with training and wants back to his previous seat position. Does he have to wait for a bid or can he return since he's only been out of his previous seat for a month or two? I can see a bunch of loop holes in our contract that's going to allow this guys back without a bid!!!
12-15-2007, 05:45 PM
#38
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: MD-11 FO
Posts: 608
This is such crap. Can someone point out the specific language in the law and contractual sections that will enable the guys that already turned 60 to return to the front seats??? How are they getting away with this?
It is one thing that the age changed but having these re-treads come back to the front really fires me up. I'm ready to get a little lawsuit going myself on behalf of the majority that is getting screwed....I don't see why not, they have jammed this down our throats from the beginning against the will of the masses and I am p1ssed.
They have stolen career potential and salary straight from our pockets.
Furious young guy,
boost
It is one thing that the age changed but having these re-treads come back to the front really fires me up. I'm ready to get a little lawsuit going myself on behalf of the majority that is getting screwed....I don't see why not, they have jammed this down our throats from the beginning against the will of the masses and I am p1ssed.
They have stolen career potential and salary straight from our pockets.
Furious young guy,
boost
12-15-2007, 05:51 PM
#39
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: Between a rock and a hard place
Posts: 92
12-15-2007, 05:57 PM
#40
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: Between a rock and a hard place
Posts: 92
If they haven't finished training they are still holding (and bidding for pay only) their previous seat. Why would they need a bid to return? At FedEx you hold your old seat until you activate in your new seat, which is at the completion of IOE. Guarantee some of the crafty old guys will be back in the left seat pretty quickly. Those that have already activated as S/O's will (should) have to wait for a bid.
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