Hired w/only turbo prop time
12-13-2007, 05:59 PM
#23
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Posts: 178
No, he's not kidding. Most of these companies believe that someone who flies around the south east in a turbo commander in the left seat is more qualified that someone who flies around the world in a 747 in the right seat.
Hey, before anyone thinks I'm knocking the turbo prop guys, I'm not. Just stating the facts.
Hey, before anyone thinks I'm knocking the turbo prop guys, I'm not. Just stating the facts.
12-14-2007, 06:03 AM
#25
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Airbus FO
Posts: 13
I think it is important because FedEx and UPS both require some sort of PIC time.
From Airline Pilot Central:
FedEx 1000 PIC fixed-wing ME turbine
UPS 1000 PIC jet and/or ME turboprop
At my old company, I could have upgraded on a Turboprop (The Saab), gotten a line, and flown 1000 in a year (we did have people do that). Or, I could have waited to upgrade on a Jet (The Avro), been stuck on reserve, and maybe only flown 500-600 in a year.
SO, there are many factors to consider, but I think I would take the Turboprop PIC if I could get that magical 1000 PIC a lot quicker.
I am not saying this time is “better” or “worse” than sitting as a FO or RFO flying around the world, but it must be important to UPS and FedEx because it is part of their minimums.
XJGuy
Last edited by XJGuy; 12-14-2007 at 06:27 AM.
12-14-2007, 02:31 PM
#26
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Joined APC: Dec 2006
Position: I was acquired, Not Hired
Posts: 1,784
I had Zero Turboprop PIC time when I got hired.
They key to me is, can you fly the airplane ? Most (not all) pilots with a regional/turboprop background get hired at UPS to fly domestic 757/767.
Most turborpops these days have equivalent "glass" as the 757/767. The big difference is performance. Instead of 1500-2500 FPM rate of climbs, the 757 does just shy of double that. In turboprops, it takes full boar to get 250 kts, whereas the 757 will do that at thrust settings not too far above idle. The 757 also has a very clean wing and no propellors (obviously) to use as speed brakes. Rarely, in the turbo prop do you get above 15,000 feet. The 757 regularly cruises at 35-39K with a ceiling of 42,000 feet.
I came from a turboprop background and know that many regional guys would fit well in our domestic system at UPS and hope their applications are abundant when hiring becomes robust again.
FF
They key to me is, can you fly the airplane ? Most (not all) pilots with a regional/turboprop background get hired at UPS to fly domestic 757/767.
Most turborpops these days have equivalent "glass" as the 757/767. The big difference is performance. Instead of 1500-2500 FPM rate of climbs, the 757 does just shy of double that. In turboprops, it takes full boar to get 250 kts, whereas the 757 will do that at thrust settings not too far above idle. The 757 also has a very clean wing and no propellors (obviously) to use as speed brakes. Rarely, in the turbo prop do you get above 15,000 feet. The 757 regularly cruises at 35-39K with a ceiling of 42,000 feet.
I came from a turboprop background and know that many regional guys would fit well in our domestic system at UPS and hope their applications are abundant when hiring becomes robust again.
FF
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