757Slug

Any FedEx guys please correct me or feel free to fill in any information that I may have left out.

Second year pay at UPS as of Jan. 2008 is $111.75 per hour no matter what size aircraft you might be flying and $109,000 yearly.

Second year pay at FedEx is $132 per hour if you fly the wide body and $118,000 for the year. If you are the NB it is only $108 per hour and $96,000 for the year.

UPS pays 6 hours on a turn or 1.5 to 1 duty rig. So 11 hours of duty will pay you 7.33. If the sort runs late or have you have weather delays and get extended to 14 hours, your pay would be 9.33 hours. At FedEx you go off the clock when you land in Memphis and only make your turn pay.

While in training at UPS you make the same as if you were flying. First year pay will be $32,000 plus some per diem and hotel cost while in training.

FedEx pays $2,000 while in school with no hotel or per diem. Not sure how long training takes at FedEx but if it takes three months to get released to the line with your hourly pay of $56.00 per hour for a total of $43,000 for your first year pay.

I am no way defending first year pay at UPS "it really sucks" but $1.33 per hour Per Diem for three months is $2,700 non taxable plus the hotel. In the end the two companies are only about $7,000 apart and in the grand picture of your time with UPS or FedEx it is small change.

Talk about pay raises, FedEx is only getting a 3% pay raise for this contract. WB $3.86 pay increase "$135.96 per hour" or $120,800 in Jan 2009 and NB $3.24 "$111.24 per hour" $98,700 in Jan 2009. When you get off probation at UPS in 2009 your pay will be $121.69 or $117,600.

WB pay at FedEx does not increase in year three and you only will get your 3% pay increase for a hourly pay of $140.04 and a yearly pay of $124,320. At UPS you would be making $133.51 per hour and $130,250 for that same year. If you still are on the NB at FedEx your pay would only be $118.82 per hour and $105,700 for the year. Pray you don't get stuck on a NB at FedEx!!!

In Jan. 2012 after being with the company for five years you would be making $155 per hour or $150,700 per year at UPS. FedEx's contract doesn't extend that far into future but if they settle for 3% pay increases it would be about $154 per hour or $136,800 for the year.

My numbers are close but not exact since I am doing this at 1am in the morning. I am in no way putting down either company just putting out the numbers and feel free to correct any information that may not be right. All my numbers have been based upon guarantee since that is what you can really count on taking to the bank. I hope this helps.

757Slug

Earning per share is just that. UPS has more outstanding shares of stock, so the dollar amount per share is less.

FedEx from May 2006 - May 2007

Net Income Applicable To Common Shares$2,016,000 B


UPS for FY 2006

Net Income Applicable To Common Shares$4,202,000 B

UPS has over $2 Billion more applicable to common stock or UPS made over $4.2 Billion for the year in profit.

757Slug

Last Quarter:

UPS made $1.076 Billion

FedEx made 494 Million

TheBaron

What you neglected was the basis for your yearly pay assumes more credit hours for UPS vs FedEx. Hold the hours the same and you'll see quite an improvement in our numbers. You also put to much emphasis on our N/B pay rates. We currently have 94 N/B's with 3-man crews and that will be shrinking to 87 with 2-man crews. We have 270+ W/B's with more arriving next year and more on order. The people that are in the narrow body have, for the most part, chosen to stay there.

skypine27

Both companies have issues (good and bad).

I'd say the pay is a wash. When you're talking + or - 10K per year on an income thats roughly 100,000 after 1 year of employment, I would not sweat it.

UPS's contract was ratified by a 55%/45% vote. That AIN'T saying a lot of good about it. Get some of the 45%'s on here posting about it.

FedEx hell-0-A was just passed and has the potential to make life horrible for anyone sent to CDG or HKG, which will most definitely include new hires.

Where do you want to live? MEM, SDF, and ANC are not any place I'd want to live. FedEx used to be quite commuter friendly with many double deadhead trips, which you could deviate on. However, those are rather rapidly going away. UPS may have more or less trips that start and/or end with deadheads. How's the UPS deviation policy work when you skip the deadhead and/or the resulting layover. I heard you lose pay for doing that. Hows the commuter policy at UPS? Not an insult, just asking because I don't know.

I fly for FedEx, and we're FAR from perfect from a pilots point of view. If I flew for UPS, I'd be saying the same thing. There's always room for improvement for the worker in a company that's hugely profitable.

Neither is perfect. Neither is bad. Southwest, CAL, DAL are all hiring too. Just take the first place that says Yes (assuming you are really sick of your old job and want a new one as fast as possible) and don't look back. Quit reading these boards too.

Freightpuppy

1. Maybe you should go to United if FedEx is far from perfect. LOL! What in the world are your expectations? No company is perfect unless you are the CEO or some high up executive.

2. I do agree there is always room for improvement, hence, no company is perfect.

Flaps50

You're of course basing your numbers on APC hours, but at FedEx we don't actually have a "Monthly Guarantee" like most airlines. You are fairly free to rearrange your schedule as you want (minus carry over trips of course) to reestablish your line value. If you want to ***** yourself out you can make well over 100 hours of pay per month, or if you like you can make less than 70. The contract ensures that no line will purposefully pay less than approx. 68 hours in a 4 week month or 86 hours in a five week month plus 12 hours. So that gives you the initial value of up to 80 or 98 hours respectively (these #s are off the top of my head, but I think they are close.)

Anyway, an eight year guy here flying Intl. WB will be at $155, and in the likely B777 (if we negotiate A380 rates), $165 per hour.

I regularly credit around 85-95 hours during a 5 week month, and about 75-85 hours during a 4 weeks month. I've seen months that have paid well over 100 hours after rearranging my schedule to make it more commutable. Bottom line, you can make as many hours as you want at FedEx if you are willing to be gone from home, so I think that your hours in reality at UPS are probably about the same as ours when in comes down to it.

I would say that if your hourly pay at Purple is around 140 an hour you can easily expect to make 150-160K per year without extra effort. On top of that you have the additional rigs that are about to take effect that should see an increase in the Intl. flying pay of about 10-15%.

My main point is that at Brown it appears it will take you about 8 years on property to see the same pay that Purple has starting at year 2 on the WB. That's a big difference in $$ in the beginning of your career.

skypine27

1. Unfortunately for the entire industry, United/AMR/DAL/CAL do not have an equivalent pay/work rule/benefit package that we have. Well, at least right now they don't. They had a much better one in 2000 (UAL/DAL did anyway, not sure about AMR/CAL). See, when the entire industry was doing well, to be honest, we were not the premier place to work. Most guys here back in 1998-2001 will tell you that. FedEx was my 5th choice, assuming I was given one. However, post 9/11, it was my first choice. And despite how I may come across, I'm thankful to be here. But please understand, if you think this place is perfect, then your husband obviously doesn't work here yet. He'll find out.

2. That's what I said, pal.

skypine27

One of the nice things about FedEx is, they are fairly accommodating. There are guys here who credit 75-85 hours in a 4 week month. Personally, I credit about 55 hours in a 4 week month. And about 65 in a 5 week month. However, I'd be willing to bet I have substantially less work days than the guy who credits 75-85 / 85-95.

Again, that's one of the good things around here. For every guy that wants to drop 20 hours a month, there's someone who's willing to fly it. I do thank them for the flexibility. You want to drop half your reserve days/trips every month? Go ahead. You want to fly your line and pick up extra? Go ahead. There is still that option (for now anyway).

Enjoy it while you can.

Gunter

A little confusing for those not in the know.

All lines will pay at least 68 in a 4 week bid month and 85 in a 5 week bid month. Many pay more and the lines may vary by 13 hrs from highest to lowest (per contract). In practice they vary by 7-10 hrs from highest to lowest. The average is always above the min and may be near the max.

After you get your line you may trade up 12 hours. No more. The only other option to make more is to do draft or volunteer. Your awarded line may also have carry over. This is up to 30 hrs of flying in the next bid month that is over and above your 68 to 87 hrs. These lines are typically senior.

If you drop trips to get less hrs of pay or due to conflict you have until the end of your career to "makeup" these hours. Makeup can put you up more than 12 hours every month until you run out of it.

BTW, all brown 2nd year FOs get a huge pay raise next year. They will make more than narrow FOs at Purple. If you think 2 years to wide FO at purple is still happening, you are living in the past. 2006 hires and later will not see that. If hiring gets going again in 2008 or 2009 hires may see 2 years to wide. But that is a big, speculative if that assumes robust hiring.