a300fr8dog

If there's a fireable type offense pending, I don't think the decision to give a guy his walking papers is made at the mid-level ACP position. SCP, lawyers, and personnel get involved. So the guy handing out the discipline is just a hatchet man. Apologies to fecav8r, but: makes me wonder why anyone would want to be the remote controlled bearer of bad news.

In the end, the place needs a manager interface. I, for one, am GLAD that at least we have a pilot, vice a suit, doing the job. As for the cross-qualified ACP (727 qual-ed ACP reviewing an A300 Captain): if the call on the carpet was aircraft specific, standards has enough input with the enhanced oversight program to address this. I could care less if my ACP is qual-ed on my A/C. Sure, it might take a couple of minutes to explain how things came about. Org diagrams, and reporting funcions aren't my thing, I'm a line dog. When they decide to put a non-pilot suit in the ACP job (call it what you will), THEN I'll worry.

Fedex999999

And of course they all called the union FIRST before showing up for that ACP meeting, right? And brought their own union representative with them? That would help with "equal" discipline.

If you have to go see an ACP for a "stupid or honest mistake," call the union. It is not confrontational or anti-management to do this. It is to protect yourself, and have someone on your side that can see the situation objectively. Most management guys are in the union, anyway, and will support you bringing a rep. It is your right.

FLMD11CAPT

When I upgraded from right to left seat in the Mad Dog we did a series of events involving Subic. Our instructor had never been there................

Deuce130

While I agree that sometimes "having been there, done that..." is important, I don't think training scenarios or simulator admin is one of them. Most guys have never had a V1 cut either, doesn't mean they can't teach it in the sim. If a guy can get across the knowledge you need to know, then he's done his job.

I can understand the chagrin about having long time training guys fill the management positions, as something about it doesn't quite "feel right." It'd be nice to see an outsider type get involved, if in fact there are any that actually want to. In the meanwhile, though, nearly all of the training guys I've met have been good dudes who have our best interests in mind and who also KNOW they've got to fight a little bit harder for that street cred they need. I really don't think we'll notice one hiccup or speed bump in the road with these guys in charge.

FDXLAG

I like the new system, as a matter of fact since senority has nothing to do with the way our block reps vote, maybe we should switch to the alphabet for determining what block we are in.

Now that I think about, since the union just seems to be a rubber stamp, maybe our ACPs can double as block reps.

Check 6

Can I still change my vote for this ACP thingy?

rolling thunder

I am sure that Captains wont mind having discipline handed out by an ACP that is an FO.

subicpilot

I would submit that if they do, it's THEIR problem...

USMCFDX

Yeah but he probably would be trained/qualed as one from being a flex so it is ok.

MEMA300

Why do we have ACPs that are not checked out as Capt. Don't all have the seniority to be Capt.