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12-14-2007, 12:38 PM
#42
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Did you say commuting to ANC....man that will take years off your life!! My household is watching what happens on this next bid as well(oh wait...I am already going to ANC so what else can happen?)
I thought there had to be a vacancy for a back seater to come to the front...since most of the vacancies are ANC wont they get that??...that seems to me the only option, unless you want to stay in current possition.
I thought there had to be a vacancy for a back seater to come to the front...since most of the vacancies are ANC wont they get that??...that seems to me the only option, unless you want to stay in current possition.
Own a condo there or something ... we are watching closely and keeping ALL options open.What you say about the Vacancy bid is correct. But I was thinking along the lines of realignment/displacement from the panel and right seat of the classic whale and the DC8 ... couldn't those "displacees" then exercise their displacement rights to anything they can hold in the lower 48 ? Most likely SDFZ ... if you know what I mean !
WHo knows how this will play out. Maybe now that UPS has this part of the puzzle set in concrete, they will announce some more expansion plans ... or maybe not !?!?!?!?
kEEPING THE FAITH ...
Later, Brown CC
12-14-2007, 12:40 PM
#43
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Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: 767 captain
Posts: 2,701
Displacements are going to be the big unknown here. If they decide to reduce the number of all FE's, there is going to be a land grab rivaling the Sooners in Oklahoma way back when. That will solve one of the company's problems by getting rid of the extra head count on the '8, but it will cause a huge gridlock in the training center which is already pretty much maxed out.
12-14-2007, 01:59 PM
#46
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Joined APC: Apr 2005
Position: A cushion seat
Posts: 171
But on a different page on this topic. If you look at the age of most of the F/E's Their average age is 63. I see many guys 63 and up. I mean we have a guy who is 76!!! So maybe it won't be THAT bad??
Shut up Paxs!!
Shut up Paxs!!
12-14-2007, 02:26 PM
#47
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 511
Well 65 is age DISCRIMINATION now....so there is a chance for Richard!!!
12-14-2007, 10:54 PM
#49
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Joined APC: Dec 2006
Position: I was acquired, Not Hired
Posts: 1,784
UPS is extremely arrogant in their hiring practices. They think they are better than anything else out there and that applicants should feel priviliged to pay their own way to SDF to interview and then sit and wait in a ridiculous pool. The hiring practices of UPS are embarassing, but the fact is is that HR knows this is the plumb job out there and they are right.
At other airlines, most new hires go to the junior piece of equipment. This junior position traditionally was a F/E position but is evolving into a right seat domestic airplane slot. Since we have no pay differential for equipment at UPS, the company has more flexibility to assign people to where their background is a better fit for the company. Anchorage is our junior base and UPS is generally, but not exclusively, assigning new hires with widebody experience to that base..hence the genesis for having a pool of candidates and its' methodical "pecking order".
Back to the interview, I was treated very well from the moment I stepped in the door. I have interviewed probably 20 diff. times (yes, I don't interview well, but I have meds for this), and it is very common for the applicant to have to pay for his/her own way and hotel.
I just wish I didn't work somewhere, where people tell me this is the worst airline that they have worked at, when they haven't had the pleasure of some of the absolute toilets that are out there.
If you think UPS' managers are arrogant, thieves etc...try the likes of Carl Icahn, Frank Lorenzo, Stephen Wolf, Doug Streeland, the boys at American Airlines (Crandall/Carty/Arpey), Rakesh Gangwall, Johnny Affletranger, Seth Schofield. Imagine working for this clown parade(s) and waking up everyday wondering if today is the day you'll be headed to the unemployment line, if you're pension will be stuffed into some executive's pocket, how much of a paycut will be used for the executive's bonus, watching your CEO drain your airline of it's assets until BK or liquidation preceedings, or watching your airline get sold out from under you or merged into some hell-bent merger where your years of service evaporate.
I don't think unemployment, merger, liquidation, or paycuts are going to be the case at UPS where everyone except the first-year pilots are making a six-digit base salary. I know some senior employees want us new-hires to hate UPS like they do, but fortunately after working at some of the absolute crap holes that we've been at, this is a vacation..trust me.
Lil J, I'm not trying to change your opinion of the company. I would just like to opinionate that as bad as you have experienced it here, you are at one of the better jobs in the business and there are professionals that do the same exact job as you and I, but work under a lot crappyier conditions.
Just my most humble opinion..your mileage may vary.
FF
Last edited by FliFast; 12-14-2007 at 11:15 PM.
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