Here's the new UPS bid
10-07-2007, 04:36 PM
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. The next time that you go through training, you will not be getting per diem or a hotel room unless you are coming from MIA or ONT. It's on your own dime this go around. Not only that, but we have 2 more rounds of this coming along. The last time we went through this it was NOTHING to see a guy go through three seperate seat moves and the subsequent training events. All this on 28,000 a year
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10-07-2007, 04:56 PM
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A guy was telling me last night (so you know it must be true
) that many of the over 60 guys have a peculiar work ethic and that the company often has to go through 5 or 6 of them on reserve call outs before they find one that is not "sick" and will come out to fly. I hope that isn't the case.
10-07-2007, 05:09 PM
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What do you guys think will be the status of us DC-8 engineers who have gotten off probation the last couple of months but not had the opportunity to bid an FO seat yet? Are we considered displacees, or do we only get to upgrade if we take the positions offered (ie 747 ANC)? The chief pilot message said "16 current DC-8 second officers will eligible for upgrade to remaining positions systemwide". Does that sound like those of us off probation will have displacement rights over the +/-100 FOs that have been hired to SDF after us?
Are any of the 16 mentioned Dc8 FEs still on probation? If that's true, then that statement just means the co. will allow probies on the 8 panel to bid FO positions.
10-07-2007, 05:46 PM
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A guy was telling me last night (so you know it must be true) that many of the over 60 guys have a peculiar work ethic and that the company often has to go through 5 or 6 of them on reserve call outs before they find one that is not "sick" and will come out to fly. I hope that isn't the case.
) that many of the over 60 guys have a peculiar work ethic and that the company often has to go through 5 or 6 of them on reserve call outs before they find one that is not "sick" and will come out to fly. I hope that isn't the case.Apparently, it’s not true at all, at least on the DC8. From what I was told by the 4 guys in our class who ended up on the panel – all of them are flying pretty much every week. They're not complaining; just making a point that the rumor of "sitting home while on reserve as a flight engineer” definitely does not apply to them...
10-07-2007, 06:53 PM
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They both did ,,,
That REALLY is more INFO than we need to know ... BROWN FliFast !
10-08-2007, 05:55 AM
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That's the problem, the people who run the airline are the ones running UPS. The airline folks can't take a crap without permission from ATL. I would say if the airline could run itself, they could make 7B a year.
10-08-2007, 06:23 PM
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I'm hardly the voice of authority on this, but it seems to be the case. We have two things going on, an inability to train MD-11 pilots which is what we need, and a dictum from HQ to cut $200,000,000 from the operations budget. They've done this before, and it has been painful, but we have always made it through
10-08-2007, 07:17 PM
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I'm hardly the voice of authority on this, but it seems to be the case. We have two things going on, an inability to train MD-11 pilots which is what we need, and a dictum from HQ to cut $200,000,000 from the operations budget. They've done this before, and it has been painful, but we have always made it through
Call me crazy, but at 33K a year plus benefits and training ... hiring/not hiring pilots is not going to break the piggy bank ... hope they figure that one out.
Maybe its time to cut back line hiring, and hire more managers ... double the production.
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