Could having a Union Shop be bad thing?
09-27-2007, 05:45 AM
#12
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: MD-11 FO
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I dont think agency shop is the problem. At the other airlines, it isnt....I think! Just IMO only, I think a big problem is that a lot of our pilots had a previous life in a position with managment mentality....read, white collar. When they get here, recommended by their buds from the same background, that may not help. They didnt enter this profession with a worker/blue collar mentality, or get sh!t on by airline managment types while they worked their way up the "ladder" to get here . In addition, the retirement they might be receiving from that previous life may cloud their judgement on some of the long term decisions we, as a pilot/worker force, need to make for the long term health of our profession. Of course, I am not saying that this is true of all that might fall into this catagory, but enough, I think, to make a negative impact for all of us.
In the big scheme of things, we are all worker bees/pukes, and managments number one job is profit, $, and MBO's.
Waiting for the incoming!
In the big scheme of things, we are all worker bees/pukes, and managments number one job is profit, $, and MBO's.
Waiting for the incoming!
You got stones boy.
09-27-2007, 06:10 AM
#13
Slainge Var'
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Zeppelin Tail Gunner
Posts: 1,530
I dont think agency shop is the problem. At the other airlines, it isnt....I think! Just IMO only, I think a big problem is that a lot of our pilots had a previous life in a position with managment mentality....read, white collar. When they get here, recommended by their buds from the same background, that may not help. They didnt enter this profession with a worker/blue collar mentality, or get sh!t on by airline managment types while they worked their way up the "ladder" to get here . In addition, the retirement they might be receiving from that previous life may cloud their judgement on some of the long term decisions we, as a pilot/worker force, need to make for the long term health of our profession. Of course, I am not saying that this is true of all that might fall into this catagory, but enough, I think, to make a negative impact for all of us.
In the big scheme of things, we are all worker bees/pukes, and managments number one job is profit, $, and MBO's.
Waiting for the incoming!
In the big scheme of things, we are all worker bees/pukes, and managments number one job is profit, $, and MBO's.
Waiting for the incoming!
09-27-2007, 08:13 PM
#15
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Joined APC: May 2007
Position: A300 F/O
Posts: 217
Mine is tucked away in my dresser drawer with my pin and bag tags (seriously). Just my little way of saying that "I don't feel like I am being represented" right now. Hopefully some fresh blood in some of the Block Rep positions will help to remedy that.
Last edited by HerkDriver; 09-28-2007 at 02:45 AM.
09-27-2007, 08:44 PM
#16
Nice lookin' tree, there!
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Tool-Box, old man
Posts: 2,204
a turn in the barrel?
Your dresser drawer is NO place for your ALPA pin and bag tags. (seriously). I understand your frustration, but the way to fix it is to get involved. Step up to the plate.
I did, (MEC during ALPA "1"), and it was one of the most amazing professional experiences that I've ever had. Almost cost me a marrage, but it didn't and it was worth it. I recommend you think about it. You are more than welcome to PM me with any questions.
Sincerely,
fbh
09-28-2007, 03:38 AM
#17
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Joined APC: May 2007
Position: A300 F/O
Posts: 217
Herk,
Your dresser drawer is NO place for your ALPA pin and bag tags. (seriously). I understand your frustration, but the way to fix it is to get involved. Step up to the plate.
I did, (MEC during ALPA "1"), and it was one of the most amazing professional experiences that I've ever had. Almost cost me a marrage, but it didn't and it was worth it. I recommend you think about it. You are more than welcome to PM me with any questions.
Sincerely,
fbh
Your dresser drawer is NO place for your ALPA pin and bag tags. (seriously). I understand your frustration, but the way to fix it is to get involved. Step up to the plate.
I did, (MEC during ALPA "1"), and it was one of the most amazing professional experiences that I've ever had. Almost cost me a marrage, but it didn't and it was worth it. I recommend you think about it. You are more than welcome to PM me with any questions.
Sincerely,
fbh
Thanks for the note. I consider myself an above average member of our union (as far as participation goes) and have corresponded with my Block Rep, LEC Chariman & the MEC leadership on MULTIPLE occassions during my brief 6 year career. I am certainly not one of the folks who just pays his "friendship dues" and hopes that he/she will be left alone. I elected not to run against Albie for Block 7 Rep because I found his opinions to be EXACTLY the same as mine, and felt that his availability would be better for the members of my block (I still have 33 mos left with the ANG). Once this commitment is over, I DO plan on finding a place within the union where I can effectively represent our crewmembers.
As for the lanyard, pin and bag tags...this seems to have made AS MUCH or more of a statement than all of my emails and correspondence with our MEC ever did. When I start receiving updates from my block rep soliciting feedback, explaining his positions going into MEC votes, and openly discussing why he needs to have ENTIRE months bought back, then I'll start feeling like my money is being well spent. When private emails from MEC members don't end with direct personal attacks about "my loyalty to the union being a venear" when I express my concerns about representation, then I'll actually feel like I AM being represented. When I get direct answers instead of the run around and CONFRONTATION about trips being bought back for MEC members, then I'll feel like I'm not being kept in the dark. In short, when I feel like my MEC is standing up for me and not giving me the "keep sending the dues money in and we'll handle the hard work" attitude, then I'll actually feel like I'm part of of something bigger. Removing my lanyard, pin and bag tags isn't really solving much, but if the presence/absence of them around the hub is a "reasonable" barometer of our membership's attitude, I hope the MEC is taking note. There are ALOT of folks not wearing them these days.
Take care and fly safe. Incoming....
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