Why Brown managers won't unionize
09-10-2007, 04:45 AM
#21
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I'm with Sue...how about enforcing the contract so that the managers don't fly our work? They do fly left seat, but only under very defined circumstances.
Again, no one has addressed the issue someone else brought up of scabs in management. If there are some in there, are we just going to welcome them with open arms? I don't want to hear any of the garbage about the lesser of two evils...how about we treat our union like a real union? Principle does matter.
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Again, no one has addressed the issue someone else brought up of scabs in management. If there are some in there, are we just going to welcome them with open arms? I don't want to hear any of the garbage about the lesser of two evils...how about we treat our union like a real union? Principle does matter.
B2P
09-10-2007, 03:37 PM
#23
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yes MBB I think some will, however they are doing that every day right now. Perhaps some would act differently with union protection. What if the IPA can get those jobs and those mgt pilots can stay in mgt, not coming over to the line.? IMO that would be the best possible solution. UPS can find something else for them to do.
09-11-2007, 03:35 AM
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yes MBB I think some will, however they are doing that every day right now. Perhaps some would act differently with union protection. What if the IPA can get those jobs and those mgt pilots can stay in mgt, not coming over to the line.? IMO that would be the best possible solution. UPS can find something else for them to do.
I doubt the mgt pilots would accept a 50%-70% paycut which is what they would endure if they were working a non-flight qualified mgt job.
09-11-2007, 03:58 PM
#26
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Went to a GMM a couple of months ago and this topic came up. CP estimated that each FQ subordinate official position equaled approx 2 line slots. Not sure how that was computed, but if it's accurate it means we'll need 250 or so more guys if management is brought into the union.
I'm for bringing them on board for a host of reasons, to wit:
- no more personnel shock absorber to give company slack to delay proper staffing levels until crisis develops
- may actually begin to lead-turn hiring based on such radical concepts as aircraft acquisitions, retirements, new domiciles, routes, etc
- IPA gains lever as company tries to compensate for loss of peak flying season slave labor force
- Quality of check airmen goes up and wealth of IPA expertise is finally brought to bear in this arena
- Depending on how it turns out, pilots who go into management aren't trapped for the rest of their lives if it turns out not to be for them after all, they can go back to the line like at other airlines
- More total flying jobs at UPS if mgt pilots brought into IPA
I'm for bringing them on board for a host of reasons, to wit:
- no more personnel shock absorber to give company slack to delay proper staffing levels until crisis develops
- may actually begin to lead-turn hiring based on such radical concepts as aircraft acquisitions, retirements, new domiciles, routes, etc
- IPA gains lever as company tries to compensate for loss of peak flying season slave labor force
- Quality of check airmen goes up and wealth of IPA expertise is finally brought to bear in this arena
- Depending on how it turns out, pilots who go into management aren't trapped for the rest of their lives if it turns out not to be for them after all, they can go back to the line like at other airlines
- More total flying jobs at UPS if mgt pilots brought into IPA
09-24-2007, 12:48 PM
#27
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Because of the 80% participation requirement. There is no way that 80% of our line pilots will participate in the online poll over the next 3 weeks. Thus the FQ Supervisors won't even be given a chance to vote.
I hope I'm wrong, but am willing to wager a round at Humpy's.
PS: Can't they organize on their own if this straw vote fails?
I hope I'm wrong, but am willing to wager a round at Humpy's.
PS: Can't they organize on their own if this straw vote fails?
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