Town Hall Meeting Comments
08-22-2007, 12:06 PM
#31
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Purple driver: As one of the older guys -- retired AF, I am happy to work 15 years and retire (at age 60). Please don't assume all of us are hanging on for another 2% per year -- they come from all backgrounds. I'll take my 2 retirement checks and fade away to the lake or golf course as soon as possible -- We definitely need to make sure the next CBA protects those of us who DON'T want to work til we die.
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08-22-2007, 12:06 PM
#32
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I'm still waiting for somebody to post an argument as to how we could have affected the outcome of the age 60 controversy. Yes, the majority of us want age 60 to stay. That's not going to happen. What should have the MEC done? Should they have just said that they oppose any change in the regulated age, period, end of sentence, and watch the bus roll over them? If the age is going to change, what should we, as FedEx pilots, do about it? Our entire relationship with the company is controlled by the CBA. Maybe we should start talking about what language we want in the CBA to mitigate the affects of age 65 rather than just proclaim that we don't like it.
08-22-2007, 12:25 PM
#33
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Could not agree more. I'm a proud 32 percenter on the LOA. The way I see it, our MEC and negotiating committee had the ability to affect the outcome of the LOA. I believe that had they dropped a set and told the company, "Hey, you say that's the best we can get, fine, we'll submit it to the membership for a vote without an endorsement," our LOA would have been much better than it wound up being.
I'm still waiting for somebody to post an argument as to how we could have affected the outcome of the age 60 controversy. Yes, the majority of us want age 60 to stay. That's not going to happen. What should have the MEC done? Should they have just said that they oppose any change in the regulated age, period, end of sentence, and watch the bus roll over them? If the age is going to change, what should we, as FedEx pilots, do about it? Our entire relationship with the company is controlled by the CBA. Maybe we should start talking about what language we want in the CBA to mitigate the affects of age 65 rather than just proclaim that we don't like it.
I'm still waiting for somebody to post an argument as to how we could have affected the outcome of the age 60 controversy. Yes, the majority of us want age 60 to stay. That's not going to happen. What should have the MEC done? Should they have just said that they oppose any change in the regulated age, period, end of sentence, and watch the bus roll over them? If the age is going to change, what should we, as FedEx pilots, do about it? Our entire relationship with the company is controlled by the CBA. Maybe we should start talking about what language we want in the CBA to mitigate the affects of age 65 rather than just proclaim that we don't like it.
As for language in the CBA, how about this: All over 60 can move to the RIGHT seat of any aircraft, and receive passover pay for what they could have held. This would seem to alleviate several problems: 1.) You would NEVER have two over 60 pilots on the same crew 2.) This would free up the Captain seats that younger, less senior pilots have been waiting patiently for 3.) The over 60 pilot get the "window" seat that he/she desires 4.) The over 60 pilot gets the pay that they were entitled too.
Just an idea...Let me have it.
08-22-2007, 12:59 PM
#34
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Position: Retired FDX MD11 Capt
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The MEC should have first off, asked one question or the other....Do you want it to change or do you want us to change our policy? By asking both questions, then ignoring one of them, they helped to create the recent frustrations with the union. I also believe that the Age 60 vote would have passed even if our MEC Chairman had voted against it at the national meeting; our voice would have been heard, and ALPA still would have gotten the change that they were looking for....
Actually, the poll was conducted by ALPA National. Our FDX MEC had nothing to do with it. In fact, Dave Webb has been on record for quite some time as having not wanted a poll at all.
08-22-2007, 01:20 PM
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As for language in the CBA, how about this: All over 60 can move to the RIGHT seat of any aircraft, and receive passover pay for what they could have held. This would seem to alleviate several problems: 1.) You would NEVER have two over 60 pilots on the same crew 2.) This would free up the Captain seats that younger, less senior pilots have been waiting patiently for 3.) The over 60 pilot get the "window" seat that he/she desires 4.) The over 60 pilot gets the pay that they were entitled too.
Just an idea...Let me have it.
Just an idea...Let me have it.
As an aside, Capt Webb commented on FedEx’s current policy in terms of allowing pilots over 60 to move to the backseat without a bid. He stated that this is an extra-contractual event and ALPA’s position is that since it isn’t displacing anyone ALPA doesn’t have an issue with it.
If that’s the case, your idea sounds good in theory, but the junior S/O will have to wait that much longer for a vacancy in that same right seat. IE screwing and not protecting the rights of the most junior
Something to ponder…
08-22-2007, 01:43 PM
#36
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"Now we will have 2 things for the next CBA - Protect our right to retire at 60 and fix the POS LOA. Wonder which one will cost the most because neither will be free "
Agree with number one. A complete freebie for FDX and one will we spend a lot of negotiating capitol on IMO. Thanks again to all those like FH that have pushed for their own selfish wants to be put ahead of fairness and their own dignity at a huge cost to everyone else...
Agree with number one. A complete freebie for FDX and one will we spend a lot of negotiating capitol on IMO. Thanks again to all those like FH that have pushed for their own selfish wants to be put ahead of fairness and their own dignity at a huge cost to everyone else...
FDX: We want the retirement age to be 65, and the standard penalty to apply for those retiring before then.
NC: We want to keep it at 60, that's what our members want.
FDX: Well, your MEC endorsed the move to 65, so if you’re MEC endorses it, why should we believe you that the members want it kept at 60?
NC: Ummmmmmm, can we get a TV timeout?
08-22-2007, 03:06 PM
#37
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I thought one of the cornerstones of the last contract negotiations was advancing scheduling/work rules. Now that the optimizer is turned up, how is that working out for everybody? Oops, I guess they dropped the ball on that one for the "best Scope in the industry", and VEBA for the senior sect. So, add one more to your list: Advancing scheduling/Work rules.
08-22-2007, 05:17 PM
#39
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2 things?
I thought one of the cornerstones of the last contract negotiations was advancing scheduling/work rules. Now that the optimizer is turned up, how is that working out for everybody? Oops, I guess they dropped the ball on that one for the "best Scope in the industry", and VEBA for the senior sect. So, add one more to your list: Advancing scheduling/Work rules.
I thought one of the cornerstones of the last contract negotiations was advancing scheduling/work rules. Now that the optimizer is turned up, how is that working out for everybody? Oops, I guess they dropped the ball on that one for the "best Scope in the industry", and VEBA for the senior sect. So, add one more to your list: Advancing scheduling/Work rules.
08-22-2007, 05:58 PM
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"As an aside, Capt Webb commented on FedEx’s current policy in terms of allowing pilots over 60 to move to the backseat without a bid. He stated that this is an extra-contractual event and ALPA’s position is that since it isn’t displacing anyone ALPA doesn’t have an issue with it."
Yeah....that's fair.
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