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Old 07-29-2007, 03:50 PM
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I was actually replying to Herky Bird..
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STV is the only reason I can see to vote NO. Everything else in the LOA is more than you currently get.
If you believe this, then you need to pull out the LOA, read it again, then read the current section 6, read the LOA "enhanced" version again.

Then do a little research on Hong Kong taxes...they are pretty simple, really. Then go to www.IRS.GOV and take a look at foreign earned income exclusion and foreign tax credit information. Then look at the tax information on the company website. Read that part carefully a couple of times. A clever lawyer wrote it and it says that you will pay your current Federal, State and local obligation, regardless of what the foreign taxes are. You have to figure out yourself that the overall obligation for most would be less in Hong Kong. But where is the difference going? (Hint: you will be subsidizing your own housing allowance).

Then look at the current CBA GT limits and read about how those limits are wavied in the LOA.

If after this, you still come away thinking "Everything else in the LOA is more than you currently get", then please PM me with your name and contact information....I've got a GREAT business proposition for you.

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I hope that I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
Seems like you have been all along on this one, why stop now?

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Old 07-29-2007, 03:54 PM
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No additional money, but I would like the STV to GO AWAY! I won't vote for anything that can potentially send me and others away for a 30 underpaid(perdiem) vacation.
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Old 07-29-2007, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BrownGirls YUM
I know.
If you believe this, then you need to pull out the LOA, read it again, then read the current section 6, read the LOA "enhanced" version again.

Then do a little research on Hong Kong taxes...they are pretty simple, really. Then go to www.IRS.GOV and take a look at foreign earned income exclusion and foreign tax credit information.

Then look at the current CBA GT limits and read about how those limits are wavied in the LOA.

If after this, you still come away thinking "Everything else in the LOA is more than you currently get", then please PM me with your name and contact information....I've got a GREAT business proposition for you.

Seems like you have been all along on this one, why stop now?
You forget that the GT limits have already been waived.
We already agreed to allow over 3 hours GT between HKG and SZX. I do that quite often. It is a pain but again the alternative is to live in CAN.
Is this preferable?

You will be getting paid for the GT even though it is a long duty and It actually might limit what the company can do to to you on the First night out and the last night in because of the added duty.

Also it will limit the companys ability for short reserve call out. I would also assume that the trips will be Week on Week off style because of the long GT.
It would be grossly-inefficient to build mulitiple departure line departures with 3 1/2-4 hourr GT's every other night.

So do you propose we the Domicle in CAN? That is what the company wanted to do initially.

STV is the only concession in the LOA. If this LOA fails .do you think your tax savings will equal the loss of $2700 month?

I guess we can just have a gentlmenly disagreement.
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
You forget that the GT limits have already been waived.
We already agreed to allow over 3 hours GT between HKG and SZX. I do that quite often. It is a pain but again the alternative is to live in CAN.
Is this preferable?

You will be getting paid for the GT even though it is a long duty and It actually might limit what the company can do to to you on the First night out and the last night in because of the added duty.

Also it will limit the companys ability for short reserve call out. I would also assume that the trips will be Week on Week off style because of the long GT. .................

Just going to be hotel standby and airport standby don't you think??
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Old 07-29-2007, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
You forget that the GT limits have already been waived.
We already agreed to allow over 3 hours GT between HKG and SZX. I do that quite often. It is a pain but again the alternative is to live in CAN.
Is this preferable?

You will be getting paid for the GT even though it is a long duty and It actually might limit what the company can do to to you on the First night out and the last night in because of the added duty.

Also it will limit the companys ability for short reserve call out. I would also assume that the trips will be Week on Week off style because of the long GT.
It would be grossly-inefficient to build mulitiple departure line departures with 3 1/2-4 hourr GT's every other night.

So do you propose we the Domicle in CAN? That is what the company wanted to do initially.

STV is the only concession in the LOA. If this LOA fails .do you think your tax savings will equal the loss of $2700 month?

I guess we can just have a gentlmenly disagreement.

"We already agreed to allow over 3 hours GT between HKG and SZX."
This is not a blanket waiver! It's case by case and has to be approved by our SIG.

As for STV being the only concession in the LOA. Even if this were true, which I do not believe it is, why is any concession OK?

As far as the company wanting to open the Domicile in CAN. Let them. We'll see what happens. By the way, it's not a Domicile, it's a FDA. There's a difference.
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
Also it will limit the companys ability for short reserve call out. I would also assume that the trips will be Week on Week off style because of the long GT.

It would be grossly-inefficient to build mulitiple departure line departures with 3 1/2-4 hourr GT's every other night.


Schedules are 3 days on and 3 days off according to a reliable source (Capt Mark). I don't know what happens on the 7th day. Don't ask the sig they have seen nothing. Don't ask the MEC (AKA Sgt Schultz) because they have seen nothing. For some reason the company wants to wait till after the vote to show us lines.
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Old 07-29-2007, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
STV is the only concession in the LOA. If this LOA fails .do you think your tax savings will equal the loss of $2700 month?
If STV is the only concession, then how do you account for the tax savings to which you refer in your very next statement?
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Old 07-29-2007, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Schedules are 3 days on and 3 days off according to a reliable source (Capt Mark). I don't know what happens on the 7th day. Don't ask the sig they have seen nothing. Don't ask the MEC (AKA Sgt Schultz) because they have seen nothing. For some reason the company wants to wait till after the vote to show us lines.

So you would rather have the Pilot domicile in CAN?
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Old 07-29-2007, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
So you would rather have the Pilot domicile in CAN?
Depending on what sort of LOA it would be under, perhaps. Certainly not under the current joke of an offer. I can tell you this, the company doesn't want to do that for tax reasons alone.

For BC to pat himself on the back and claim HKG vs CAN base as a victory won by the negotiating committee is humorous. They have no leverage to do anything other than concede to whatever the company offers, yet somehow strong-armed the company into putting a base 3+ hours away? Puhlease.
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Old 07-29-2007, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BrownGirls YUM
Depending on what sort of LOA it would be under, perhaps. Certainly not under the current joke of an offer. I can tell you this, the company doesn't want to do that for tax reasons alone.

For BC to pat himself on the back and claim HKG vs CAN base as a victory won by the negotiating committee is humorous. They have no leverage to do anything other than concede to whatever the company offers, yet somehow strong-armed the company into putting a base 3+ hours away? Puhlease.
You almost make feel like voting yes on this just to get you to stop badmouthing BC.
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