UPS MGMT Pilot -- Ready, Aim, Fire!
11-09-2005, 08:12 PM
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UPS MGMT Pilot -- Ready, Aim, Fire!
Here's the deal:
Current FedEx pilot, 6+ years seniority, ALPA committee member. Hometown is Louisville, tired of pounding it out on the road with FDX and working for Fred, looking for more stability at home, etc. Position requires relocation to SDF.
Recently interviewed for UPS mgmt pilot position. This is a 3-phase process and I completed phase one. Waiting for the results. I've networked extensively with line and mgmt pilots to gain a better understanding of the job profile and expectations. Mixed results and opinions to cover the entire spectrum. Pros and Cons on both sides.
I'm very fortunate to even be in the position to have a choice (if offered the job), given the current state of the industry. Requesting professional responses.
Thanks for your time.
Current FedEx pilot, 6+ years seniority, ALPA committee member. Hometown is Louisville, tired of pounding it out on the road with FDX and working for Fred, looking for more stability at home, etc. Position requires relocation to SDF.
Recently interviewed for UPS mgmt pilot position. This is a 3-phase process and I completed phase one. Waiting for the results. I've networked extensively with line and mgmt pilots to gain a better understanding of the job profile and expectations. Mixed results and opinions to cover the entire spectrum. Pros and Cons on both sides.
I'm very fortunate to even be in the position to have a choice (if offered the job), given the current state of the industry. Requesting professional responses.
Thanks for your time.
11-09-2005, 08:27 PM
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You have got to be kidding me....fdx for 6 yrs and you're thinking about going over to the darkside at ups???? Just because ups airlines is based in sdf doesn't mean that you would get to stay there. You're expected to move wherever they want at the drop of a hat to cover any need they perceive. If you go this route, you sell your soul for some stock and are expected to bleed brown for the rest of your life.
I hope against hope this post was just a joke as I would never even consider going to mgmt at ups as long as mcdonalds was hiring...
jmho....
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I hope against hope this post was just a joke as I would never even consider going to mgmt at ups as long as mcdonalds was hiring...
jmho....
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11-09-2005, 10:38 PM
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what nice options to have in 2005. It's a serious question, so here's a serious answer.
If you value more than anything else being home in Louisville, then I would take the UPS management job. Bear in mind, though, that you will work your rear end off in the sims, at the desk, and flying throughout the system giving line checks.
Just like some pilots enjoy teaching in the sim while the rest of us wonder why?, you might be cut out for this UPS job. Stability is a given at both, and so is excellent pay and retirement.....
We like to bash management, but they have a good job if you don't mind being told what to do and where to go, you're good at staying in line, and you love SDF.
I'd stay at FedEx if you don't mind commuting the rest of your career, or are apprehensive about joining management ranks and giving up a good line seniority number.
Good luck.
If you value more than anything else being home in Louisville, then I would take the UPS management job. Bear in mind, though, that you will work your rear end off in the sims, at the desk, and flying throughout the system giving line checks.
Just like some pilots enjoy teaching in the sim while the rest of us wonder why?, you might be cut out for this UPS job. Stability is a given at both, and so is excellent pay and retirement.....
We like to bash management, but they have a good job if you don't mind being told what to do and where to go, you're good at staying in line, and you love SDF.
I'd stay at FedEx if you don't mind commuting the rest of your career, or are apprehensive about joining management ranks and giving up a good line seniority number.
Good luck.
11-10-2005, 04:29 AM
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If you value more than anything else being home in Louisville, then I would take the UPS management job.
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If you value more than anything else being home in Louisville, then stay at FedEx. As a line guy at FedEx you can live wherever you want and NEVER have to leave. As management at UPS there are NO guarantees. Have fun living in Anchorage (and I don't mean Anchorage, KY).
Best of luck in your decision.
If you value more than anything else being home in Louisville, then I would take the UPS management job.
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If you value more than anything else being home in Louisville, then stay at FedEx. As a line guy at FedEx you can live wherever you want and NEVER have to leave. As management at UPS there are NO guarantees. Have fun living in Anchorage (and I don't mean Anchorage, KY).
Best of luck in your decision.
11-10-2005, 07:48 AM
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BigBrown, Freight Capt and Dawg,
I have to say the overwhelming response from line guys is NO. However, the management guys don't have the same perspective.
I appreciate all the inputs without bashing my situation. I'm 60/40 right now in favor of staying put at FredEx. Family considerations are the main motivation for me to even consider the move..
Selling my soul to any company is not what I am looking for. The flexibility, time off, and layers of protection as a union guy are my key reasons for staying put at FDX. From the many inputs against the job at UPS, the downside looks to outweigh the upside. I have an extensive background in instruction and enjoy it. I've always tried to make a positive impact and make a difference. It was rewarded in the military -- not so sure now that those efforts would be appreciated at Big Brown. I'm not a 20-year military guy, I don't drink Kool-Aid, and have an excellent reputation with my peers. It sounds like UPS needs more of the same -- it will most likely not be me.
Any additional thoughts are appreciated.
I have to say the overwhelming response from line guys is NO. However, the management guys don't have the same perspective.
I appreciate all the inputs without bashing my situation. I'm 60/40 right now in favor of staying put at FredEx. Family considerations are the main motivation for me to even consider the move..
Selling my soul to any company is not what I am looking for. The flexibility, time off, and layers of protection as a union guy are my key reasons for staying put at FDX. From the many inputs against the job at UPS, the downside looks to outweigh the upside. I have an extensive background in instruction and enjoy it. I've always tried to make a positive impact and make a difference. It was rewarded in the military -- not so sure now that those efforts would be appreciated at Big Brown. I'm not a 20-year military guy, I don't drink Kool-Aid, and have an excellent reputation with my peers. It sounds like UPS needs more of the same -- it will most likely not be me.
Any additional thoughts are appreciated.
11-10-2005, 08:25 AM
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Why Does UPS Need to RECRUIT From OUTSIDE?
Anyone who is looking to UPS for a management job needs to consider one thing:
With 2,500 educated, motivated, and talented pilots already on the property, why does UPS need to go outside the company for management pilots? Why can't they get THEIR OWN PILOTS to take these jobs. That alone should tell any potential pilot what line pilots think of management positions.
With 2,500 educated, motivated, and talented pilots already on the property, why does UPS need to go outside the company for management pilots? Why can't they get THEIR OWN PILOTS to take these jobs. That alone should tell any potential pilot what line pilots think of management positions.
11-10-2005, 10:46 AM
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The Basic Problem Is That The Average Line Pilot Finds A Security Blanket In His Seniority Number. Also, He/she Only Wants To Work 12-14 Days A Month. True, You Work Harder In Mgt. But There Are Certain Rewards For Doing So. This Is Only What I Am Told Because I Am Not In Management. But Most Management Guys And Girls Seem Pretty Happy
11-10-2005, 12:06 PM
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Why Not?
UPS Line Guy ... you're right, I do find it odd that the regular line pilots aren't interested in this job and that UPS has to recruit from outside.
What is the general consensus of why line pilots don't want to take the management jobs? Is it because they have to work 5-6 days a week? Is it because they don't have a seniority number? Is it because they don't get to fly full time? Is it because they have to live in SDF? Is is because of contract negotiations? All of the above?
Is the overall relationship between Mgmt Pilots and line pilots antagonistic?
What is the general consensus of why line pilots don't want to take the management jobs? Is it because they have to work 5-6 days a week? Is it because they don't have a seniority number? Is it because they don't get to fly full time? Is it because they have to live in SDF? Is is because of contract negotiations? All of the above?
Is the overall relationship between Mgmt Pilots and line pilots antagonistic?
11-10-2005, 12:38 PM
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Don't Get Me Wrong!! If It Wasn't For Us Line Guys, The Whole Operation Would Cease To Exist. It Is Just That Some Guys Can Live With Flying Only 4-5 Days A Month. Most Sim Check Airman Do Very Well When They Fly Because They Are In The Sim So Much. The Acp's And Line Check Airmen Sometimes Embarass Themselves, Though.
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