Block 11 Rep Letter
07-28-2007, 07:35 AM
#31
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 57
Absolutely my bad. Misread the message line.
Apologies Sleepy.
I'm obviously not too good at this internet thing.
Apologies Sleepy.
I'm obviously not too good at this internet thing.
Last edited by fub141; 07-28-2007 at 07:41 AM.
07-29-2007, 08:00 AM
#32
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 118
<< Folks, we need to clean house ... >>
Hear, hear. Frankly, I consider our NC and MEC to be in material breach of their fiduciary duty to the membership not to sit down and negotiate anything with the company until they are thoroughly informed on all aspects of the issues to be negotiated. I would also go so far as to characterize their lax preparation in advance of tackling this LOA as prima facie evidence of negligence in the execution of their duties, and demonstrating willful and wanton disregard of the consequences of their inattention on the members.
A few examples:
- "3 hours by van to Guangzhou ..." HKG hotel desk staff says at least 5 hours; friend who just drove it from Kowloon to CAN airport says 5-6+, in good weather, and longer at night, when trucks are clogging the road.
- Being unaware that an E1 gets a HOA/COLA that is more than double what the LOA offers.
- Being unaware of the high cost of schooling, and the fact that other foreign-based companies pay ALL the costs of this schooling.
- Being unaware that other foreign-based companies pay ALL the costs of housing for their overseas employees.
- Being unaware that rental apartments count the area from the front door to the elevator, plus any balcony or patio, in their total stated square footage.
- Being unaware that apartments require at least 3 months' deposit to move in, and the agent who finds you the place gets another month's rent in commission -- payable by the renter.
- Being unaware that most companies who post employees overseas pay ALL of the employee's foreign taxes, thereby allowing the employee to enjoy the full benefit of the $82,400 Foreign Earned Income Exclusion.
- Being unaware that other companies pay for round-trip plane tickets at least once a year for family members to return to the U.S.
- Considering 500 lbs. of household goods to be sufficient to set up a home.
- Thinking it acceptable to force a crewmember to be away from home and family without being paid duty rig for the entire time away.
This is admittedly only a partial list, but it's plenty enough to justify a recall.
Hear, hear. Frankly, I consider our NC and MEC to be in material breach of their fiduciary duty to the membership not to sit down and negotiate anything with the company until they are thoroughly informed on all aspects of the issues to be negotiated. I would also go so far as to characterize their lax preparation in advance of tackling this LOA as prima facie evidence of negligence in the execution of their duties, and demonstrating willful and wanton disregard of the consequences of their inattention on the members.
A few examples:
- "3 hours by van to Guangzhou ..." HKG hotel desk staff says at least 5 hours; friend who just drove it from Kowloon to CAN airport says 5-6+, in good weather, and longer at night, when trucks are clogging the road.
- Being unaware that an E1 gets a HOA/COLA that is more than double what the LOA offers.
- Being unaware of the high cost of schooling, and the fact that other foreign-based companies pay ALL the costs of this schooling.
- Being unaware that other foreign-based companies pay ALL the costs of housing for their overseas employees.
- Being unaware that rental apartments count the area from the front door to the elevator, plus any balcony or patio, in their total stated square footage.
- Being unaware that apartments require at least 3 months' deposit to move in, and the agent who finds you the place gets another month's rent in commission -- payable by the renter.
- Being unaware that most companies who post employees overseas pay ALL of the employee's foreign taxes, thereby allowing the employee to enjoy the full benefit of the $82,400 Foreign Earned Income Exclusion.
- Being unaware that other companies pay for round-trip plane tickets at least once a year for family members to return to the U.S.
- Considering 500 lbs. of household goods to be sufficient to set up a home.
- Thinking it acceptable to force a crewmember to be away from home and family without being paid duty rig for the entire time away.
This is admittedly only a partial list, but it's plenty enough to justify a recall.
07-29-2007, 08:19 AM
#33
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,813
<< Folks, we need to clean house ... >>
Hear, hear. Frankly, I consider our NC and MEC to be in material breach of their fiduciary duty to the membership not to sit down and negotiate anything with the company until they are thoroughly informed on all aspects of the issues to be negotiated. I would also go so far as to characterize their lax preparation in advance of tackling this LOA as prima facie evidence of negligence in the execution of their duties, and demonstrating willful and wanton disregard of the consequences of their inattention on the members.
A few examples:
- "3 hours by van to Guangzhou ..." HKG hotel desk staff says at least 5 hours; friend who just drove it from Kowloon to CAN airport says 5-6+, in good weather, and longer at night, when trucks are clogging the road.
- Being unaware that an E1 gets a HOA/COLA that is more than double what the LOA offers.
- Being unaware of the high cost of schooling, and the fact that other foreign-based companies pay ALL the costs of this schooling.
- Being unaware that other foreign-based companies pay ALL the costs of housing for their overseas employees.
- Being unaware that rental apartments count the area from the front door to the elevator, plus any balcony or patio, in their total stated square footage.
- Being unaware that apartments require at least 3 months' deposit to move in, and the agent who finds you the place gets another month's rent in commission -- payable by the renter.
- Being unaware that most companies who post employees overseas pay ALL of the employee's foreign taxes, thereby allowing the employee to enjoy the full benefit of the $82,400 Foreign Earned Income Exclusion.
- Being unaware that other companies pay for round-trip plane tickets at least once a year for family members to return to the U.S.
- Considering 500 lbs. of household goods to be sufficient to set up a home.
- Thinking it acceptable to force a crewmember to be away from home and family without being paid duty rig for the entire time away.
This is admittedly only a partial list, but it's plenty enough to justify a recall.
Hear, hear. Frankly, I consider our NC and MEC to be in material breach of their fiduciary duty to the membership not to sit down and negotiate anything with the company until they are thoroughly informed on all aspects of the issues to be negotiated. I would also go so far as to characterize their lax preparation in advance of tackling this LOA as prima facie evidence of negligence in the execution of their duties, and demonstrating willful and wanton disregard of the consequences of their inattention on the members.
A few examples:
- "3 hours by van to Guangzhou ..." HKG hotel desk staff says at least 5 hours; friend who just drove it from Kowloon to CAN airport says 5-6+, in good weather, and longer at night, when trucks are clogging the road.
- Being unaware that an E1 gets a HOA/COLA that is more than double what the LOA offers.
- Being unaware of the high cost of schooling, and the fact that other foreign-based companies pay ALL the costs of this schooling.
- Being unaware that other foreign-based companies pay ALL the costs of housing for their overseas employees.
- Being unaware that rental apartments count the area from the front door to the elevator, plus any balcony or patio, in their total stated square footage.
- Being unaware that apartments require at least 3 months' deposit to move in, and the agent who finds you the place gets another month's rent in commission -- payable by the renter.
- Being unaware that most companies who post employees overseas pay ALL of the employee's foreign taxes, thereby allowing the employee to enjoy the full benefit of the $82,400 Foreign Earned Income Exclusion.
- Being unaware that other companies pay for round-trip plane tickets at least once a year for family members to return to the U.S.
- Considering 500 lbs. of household goods to be sufficient to set up a home.
- Thinking it acceptable to force a crewmember to be away from home and family without being paid duty rig for the entire time away.
This is admittedly only a partial list, but it's plenty enough to justify a recall.
Good luck in the future with the grass always being greener on the other side.
07-29-2007, 09:00 AM
#35
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,813
Yes, it was a little harsh. I'm just tired of all the conspiracy theories out there about OUR MEC. How they suddenly don't represent us any more and how they must have a alternate agenda to gives us this LOA. I believe they think they got the best they could and as far as the STV goes, the company just put in writing what the MEC said was the intent when they negotiated the LOA. My hope is that people vote on this LOA based on its merits or lack there of, not because they want to send a message to the company or MEC. Stop the personal attacks on the MEC and NC, because in the long run, it only hurts us as a crew force. If you are unhappy with the MEC, run during the next elections, and then think about how you treated your MEC on this forum and how you will feel getting the same treatment because you can't make everyone happy all of the time. They(MEC) do a thankless job, and I for one, whether I agree with them all of the time or not, appreciate it. That being said, I will no longer post on this forum.
07-29-2007, 09:15 AM
#36
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 71
Jack is that you?
Yes, it was a little harsh. I'm just tired of all the conspiracy theories out there about OUR MEC. How they suddenly don't represent us any more and how they must have a alternate agenda to gives us this LOA. I believe they think they got the best they could and as far as the STV goes, the company just put in writing what the MEC said was the intent when they negotiated the LOA. My hope is that people vote on this LOA based on its merits or lack there of, not because they want to send a message to the company or MEC. Stop the personal attacks on the MEC and NC, because in the long run, it only hurts us as a crew force. If you are unhappy with the MEC, run during the next elections, and then think about how you treated your MEC on this forum and how you will feel getting the same treatment because you can't make everyone happy all of the time. They(MEC) do a thankless job, and I for one, whether I agree with them all of the time or not, appreciate it. That being said, I will no longer post on this forum.
07-29-2007, 09:36 AM
#37
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 2,889
Stop the personal attacks on the MEC and NC, because in the long run, it only hurts us as a crew force.
If you are unhappy with the MEC, run during the next elections,
They(MEC) do a thankless job, and I for one, whether I agree with them all of the time or not, appreciate it. T
hat being said, I will no longer post on this forum.
If you are unhappy with the MEC, run during the next elections,
They(MEC) do a thankless job, and I for one, whether I agree with them all of the time or not, appreciate it. T
hat being said, I will no longer post on this forum.
I will--if someone else better doesn't step up first. Anyone interested in doing block 8, block 7, block 11, or block 3...PM me.
I'll bet I talk to MEC members more than you do. About once every 2-3 days if you are keeping score. And I do say "thanks". And I say "I respectfully disagree" and also "I know you have a tough job". This is just business...
I think you should post. If this board is just a megaphone for the most polarized of opinions it loses its value. Carlos and I disagree, as does Prezbear. However, the fact they are looking at the LOA from the line perspective and are still voting "yes" is certainly worth discussing. I've said this before--we all want the same thing 3-5 years down the road. We all want FDX to be doing all the flying, with our guys in domicile, getting paid enough to have a good quality of life and enjoy the experience as they help all of us grab up market share. What we are arguing over is the BEST WAY to get there from here.
Stay in the game. Your contributions..although perhaps not in the 85% side on this board, are still valuable. We don't have to be jerks to each other because we disagree.
07-29-2007, 09:53 AM
#38
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
How come nobody from the MEC said well when we voted 11-1 for this LOA it was with our understanding that the invol intent is only 30 days?
Did the lawyers say hey that should be good enough for you they intend to make it only 30 days?
Still waiting to hear the intent of changing the Temporary Vacancy travel language from CBA 5.G.1.a "will provide Deadhead" to the LOA "will position". Maybe Jack has the intent in his meeting notes.
I don't think it was a conspiracy theory. I don't think anyone was paid off (on our side of the table). I do think arrogance and pressure to get a bid out forced some bad decisions.
07-29-2007, 11:09 AM
#39
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 503
Help me understand. Earlier in July we had a poster here saying he was the Mil affairs guy, dissenting. Now (this week) we are looking for a new mil affairs guy? Is this correct? Did I miss something? Was the Mil affairs guy really let go for posting a dissenting opinion on this forum?
07-29-2007, 11:16 AM
#40
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: MD-11 F/O
Posts: 98
Help me understand. Earlier in July we had a poster here saying he was the Mil affairs guy, dissenting. Now (this week) we are looking for a new mil affairs guy? Is this correct? Did I miss something? Was the Mil affairs guy really let go for posting a dissenting opinion on this forum?
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