Changes to ALPA's voting system
07-20-2007, 02:49 PM
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Changes to ALPA's voting system
Is it just me that thinks it is a bit conspicuous that just 3 days before balloting opens on this LOA issue, ALPA posts a convaluted new activation process, that we ONLY get through the mail.
Question - How many guys are on 12 day international trips and won't be home for a while?
Question - How many people will now not go through the trouble to activate and vote?
I will bet that we have less than 50% participation in this vote. I feel it may be an attempt to quell the total votes giving the best chance for passage.
Any takers?
Question - How many guys are on 12 day international trips and won't be home for a while?
Question - How many people will now not go through the trouble to activate and vote?
I will bet that we have less than 50% participation in this vote. I feel it may be an attempt to quell the total votes giving the best chance for passage.
Any takers?
07-20-2007, 06:30 PM
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Hey Sleepy and TonyC, how about if you guys see if there is a reasonable fix for this problem please ... thanks
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07-20-2007, 07:18 PM
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You guys are really going over the top here. Just because they're out to get you, doesn't mean you have to get paranoid about it. Talk about seeing a devil behind every bush. From what was said, it should take about 3 minutes to complete the registration process. For those of us on an international trip, I'd suggest Skyping your wife/significant other, and having them open the envelope and giving you the information, then you can Skype the ALPA number and register and when the vote comes out, you can vote. I personally don't see why this is such a big issue. But that's just me.
07-20-2007, 08:59 PM
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Tell ya what. I'll copy and paste what I already sent in an e-mail response to someone who went to a reliable source for the answer to a legitimate question or concern.
ALPA is changing the voting process to make it more secure. The security was criticized during the Blue Ribbon Commission's Web Poll on the Age 60 issue, and this should resolve those issues. The timing is coincidental, and has nothing to do with our FDA LOA. There was not enough time to get the LOA to the Membership, give everyone time to ask questions and get educated, and close a vote before the Balloting System went "down" to implement the changes, so we had to wait until the changes were complete before we could open the vote.
What I recommend is to follow the procedures in the last paragraph of the letter from ALPA.
If you don't remember your VIN and/or PIN after you have activated your voting account, and you can't locate any record of them, please log on to crewroom.alpa.org and click on My ALPA, and then click on the Elections link. You may also contact the Membership Services Department at 888-FLY-ALPA, press 3 and follow the voice prompts to obtain a replacement activation code to reestablish your voting credentials.
When you click that link, you'll immediately be given a 16-digit Reactivation Code (I just did it just to see what would happen.) Follow the instructions on the same page to activate your account.
From that page:
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STEPS TO REACTIVATE YOUR VOTER CREDENTIALS
After you have been issued a replacement activation code by your Election Administrator, you must carry out the following steps to regain access to your BallotPoint voting account. You will not be able to vote in any of your union’s elections until you do so.
These steps must be performed soon after you are issued the replacement activation code. Replacement activation codes are valid for a very limited time. If not used within that period, you will need to request another replacement code from your Administrator.
1) Call either (866)511-3366 or (866)972-8043, toll-free, to reactivate your voting account. NOTE: These numbers are different than the ones used to activate an account using the Activation Code received through the US Mail.
2) If you cannot reach either of the toll-free numbers listed above (the toll-frees are accessible from the United States, Canada, and a few other other areas only), then try the direct (tolled) numbers, (971)327-5444 and (503)972-8042. NOTE: These numbers are different than the ones used to activate an account using the Activation Code received through the US Mail.
3) When prompted, enter the replacement activation code provided to you by your Election Administrator.
4) Your assigned Voter Identification Number (VIN) will be spoken to you. Write this VIN down. It’s a random number, and trying to just remember it from one BallotPoint election to the next will be difficult.
5) When prompted, use the phone keypad to enter a 4- to 8-digit Personal Identification Number (PIN) of your own choosing. Write this PIN down.
6) Save the VIN and PIN in a safe and accessible place. This may be in your wallet, or anywhere else that you can easily get to whenever you need to vote in one of your union’s elections. Alternatively, save your VIN and PIN electronically (cell phone, PDA, computer), if that’s more convenient for you, and you are comfortable about the security of the location.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
STEPS TO REACTIVATE YOUR VOTER CREDENTIALS
After you have been issued a replacement activation code by your Election Administrator, you must carry out the following steps to regain access to your BallotPoint voting account. You will not be able to vote in any of your union’s elections until you do so.
These steps must be performed soon after you are issued the replacement activation code. Replacement activation codes are valid for a very limited time. If not used within that period, you will need to request another replacement code from your Administrator.
1) Call either (866)511-3366 or (866)972-8043, toll-free, to reactivate your voting account. NOTE: These numbers are different than the ones used to activate an account using the Activation Code received through the US Mail.
2) If you cannot reach either of the toll-free numbers listed above (the toll-frees are accessible from the United States, Canada, and a few other other areas only), then try the direct (tolled) numbers, (971)327-5444 and (503)972-8042. NOTE: These numbers are different than the ones used to activate an account using the Activation Code received through the US Mail.
3) When prompted, enter the replacement activation code provided to you by your Election Administrator.
4) Your assigned Voter Identification Number (VIN) will be spoken to you. Write this VIN down. It’s a random number, and trying to just remember it from one BallotPoint election to the next will be difficult.
5) When prompted, use the phone keypad to enter a 4- to 8-digit Personal Identification Number (PIN) of your own choosing. Write this PIN down.
6) Save the VIN and PIN in a safe and accessible place. This may be in your wallet, or anywhere else that you can easily get to whenever you need to vote in one of your union’s elections. Alternatively, save your VIN and PIN electronically (cell phone, PDA, computer), if that’s more convenient for you, and you are comfortable about the security of the location.
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Last edited by TonyC; 07-21-2007 at 01:08 AM. Reason: Fixed the font?
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