Amerijet Cpt yelling at FO on freq during G/A
06-11-2024, 05:35 PM
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I'm not suggesting yelling at a fellow pilot is a good technique if they create a problem. However, there needs to be an appropriate spotlight shined on the orginal source of the problem. If the FO isn't competant enough to execute a simple go-around after an unstable approach, let's make sure that's recognized. There are two people on that team. If that FO isn't bringing his A-game to work every day, then maybe that needs some scrutiny rather than have everyone focus on an inappropriate reaction by the Captain.
06-12-2024, 08:54 AM
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I'm not suggesting yelling at a fellow pilot is a good technique if they create a problem. However, there needs to be an appropriate spotlight shined on the orginal source of the problem. If the FO isn't competant enough to execute a simple go-around after an unstable approach, let's make sure that's recognized. There are two people on that team. If that FO isn't bringing his A-game to work every day, then maybe that needs some scrutiny rather than have everyone focus on an inappropriate reaction by the Captain.
06-12-2024, 11:18 AM
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True, just wait until you're in a congested terminal and then unload on each other thereby guaranteeing free accommodations at your local LE establishment which may include a meal or two but no beverage of your choice. Seriously, if one feels compelled than do it on the aircraft after shutdown hot mic off before ants climb on board. At least you can walk away, simmer down and hopefully meet later having a beverage of your choice.
06-12-2024, 11:31 AM
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There most certainly are times when yelling is appropriate; those who think otherwise are short on experience.
I guarantee the straight-arm dive into the mud in Houston with an Atlas 767 was not the time for dainty politeness.
Tools in the toolbox; elevated vocal commands have their place.
I guarantee the straight-arm dive into the mud in Houston with an Atlas 767 was not the time for dainty politeness.
Tools in the toolbox; elevated vocal commands have their place.
06-12-2024, 12:26 PM
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There most certainly are times when yelling is appropriate; those who think otherwise are short on experience.
I guarantee the straight-arm dive into the mud in Houston with an Atlas 767 was not the time for dainty politeness.
Tools in the toolbox; elevated vocal commands have their place.
I guarantee the straight-arm dive into the mud in Houston with an Atlas 767 was not the time for dainty politeness.
Tools in the toolbox; elevated vocal commands have their place.
06-12-2024, 11:15 PM
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Have to agree with JB on the incident in Houston.
Sometimes the need to make the point is NOW, or take control now.
That was a sad ending to an uneventful flight which should have resulted in a normal landing where everyone went home.
Sometimes the need to make the point is NOW, or take control now.
That was a sad ending to an uneventful flight which should have resulted in a normal landing where everyone went home.
06-13-2024, 04:12 AM
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Had a new F/O with me on an older 727. While in moderate turbulence, while accomplishing the After Takeoff Checklist he bypassed the OFF position with the Landing Gear Lever and inadvertently extended the Gear. Ooops. We were above the gear retraction limit speed. He was at the ready to, with a knee jerk reaction, at the ready to retract the gear again, without my concurrence. I simply stated with a firm voice. HANDS OFF THE LEVER..; GEAR RETRACTION SPEED LIMIT! The Airspeed was redueed and retracted the gear. Once in cruise, We discussed the perils of knee jerk reactions and corrrective actions without concurrence of the entire crew. No harm, no foul... Just another cycle on the gear. Oh... the mic was not keyed.
06-13-2024, 04:43 AM
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Had a new F/O with me on an older 727. While in moderate turbulence, while accomplishing the After Takeoff Checklist he bypassed the OFF position with the Landing Gear Lever and inadvertently extended the Gear. Ooops. We were above the gear retraction limit speed. He was at the ready to, with a knee jerk reaction, at the ready to retract the gear again, without my concurrence. I simply stated with a firm voice. HANDS OFF THE LEVER..; GEAR RETRACTION SPEED LIMIT! The Airspeed was redueed and retracted the gear. Once in cruise, We discussed the perils of knee jerk reactions and corrrective actions without concurrence of the entire crew. No harm, no foul... Just another cycle on the gear. Oh... the mic was not keyed.
I agree with you; some pilots are very aggressive with pressing buttons and moving controls without thinking, especially on the MCP, which annoys me a lot.
06-13-2024, 05:49 AM
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Retire or learn to use the hot mike.
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