Soyathink

Browntail,

Think what you wish, thats your right. You're right we don't have access to proposals. We do have access to the internet and to people both in UPS management and the IPA. Hell there have been some proposals listed here. You have a lot to learn. It is better to have a friend than an enemy. Your us vs. them attitude is what the whole problem is. I don't know what lie is exposed. I guess you will have to wait and see when or if you do strike. I do predict that it won't come down to that but I wish you the best if it does. I don't think cropdusting pays as much as UPS.

As far as capacity UPS supply chain solutions hasn't had a problem finding capacity. How much of the 750 metric tons of wine did the IPA fly between 11/5 and 11/11. There are alot of MD-11, 74, 75 and 76 drivers that are not working. There has been speculation even on this site that UPS has already been interviewing replacements. Like I said there will be problems in service but not nearly to the extent the IPA is expecting. If you strike I'd say that the airline will either be Teamster or ALPA and the IPA will be no more.

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Trashauler1:

I hear that Jon Burrows is a highly respected pilot. However, we should not mention names. But that is your problem. I well know what a P3 is and what a P2 is. I did not say I hoped the union would be bankrupted. I said it would go bankrupt. There is a big difference. You need to brush up on your listening skills.

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Browntail

As Teamsters President
James Hoffa rallied the
support of some 400
Local 89 members, he
also assured IPA leadership
that the Teamsters
are behind the pilots’
efforts to obtain a much
deserved contract. In fact,
the IPA received a standing
ovation when Negotiating
Committee Member
Captain Chuck Patterson
mentioned the summer of
1997 when the IPA stood
side by side with the
Teamsters during a twoweek
strike.
“The unity displayed by the Teamsters
and IPA sent a powerful message
to the Company that we were
united in our goal of fair and equitable
working agreements for every
union on UPS property,” said Patterson.
After spending the evening with
Hoffa, Teamsters International Vice
President Ken Hall and Local 89
President Fred Zuckerman, Patterson
said it was clear the support for the
IPA was “sincere and overwhelming.
”
He also says the IPA needs to be
clear about the task at hand, “We
need to refocus our attention to our
goal, which is a new contract. When
we joined hands with the Teamsters,
we demonstrated what unity can do
for us and we need to acknowledge
what the lack of unity can do to us,”
said Patterson.
In speaking to his members, Hoffa
said, “these are exciting times” as the
Teamsters work to organize more
companies, including UPS’s recently
acquired Overnite Corp. He also said
another key to their newly found success
was quitting the AFL-CIO. The
Teamsters joined with six other
unions to form the Change to Win
Coalition as an alternative.
Hoffa has been touring the country
in an effort to revive union support.
The IPA was invited to attend a Teamster
rally/dinner with General President James P.
Hoffa. Pictured from left, IPA Negotiating Com-
mittee Member Chuck Patterson, Teamster
International Vice President Ken Hall, Hoffa
and Local 89 President Fred Zuckerman.
Hoffa Vows Support for IPA During
Teamster Rally

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Hey Mr. Bitter. Plan on getting more bitter. We do not get what we deserve, and we are asking for no more, we'll take it to the bitter end. Been there growing up with the Teamsters. I've talked to a number of them inside and out of UPS. They are onboard and expect the same again from us the next time. But you know, just us alone is going to kill the business.

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Nowhere does it say they will honor picket lines. It simply says they will support IPA. Politicians (like Hoffa) are very smart. They will not take out 185,000 teamsters for 2,700 pilotss for more than a day or two. UPS can tolerate that. The most a driver makes is about $90,00 with overtime. You know that most part times make $9.00/hr. Who would strike for a pilot who works 12-14 days a month and makes up to $200,000 year? Most Teamsters make far less that the average line pilot. But, they are not stupid. It is the line pilot who is stupid if he/she expects long-term Teamster support

Browntail

You know you can't spell StUPid without UPS!

Soyathink

To all of you that think the Rank and File are with you take a look here. http://www.rankandfileslate.com/file...gate_tally.pdf

Zuckerman had lost the vote in Local 89 that so much of you have confidence in. Local 89 is the 4th largest local in the United States. If you go to Teamster.net you will see that the Rank and File do not support the current leadership. Trust me fellas the Rank and file will not be there for you.

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Soyathink:

You are so right! Here is another one: The IPA has announced they will deploy informational pickets to local UPS stores in 5 cities. What idiots!! The average UPS store employee and its customers think that UPS pilots are way overpaid and greedy as hell. I am sure it will backfire in their faces.

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Trash Hauler 1

"I am sure it will backfire in their faces." A fellow line guy would have said in our faces. You'll feel better after you fess up! (bg)

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A simple freudian slip

I meant "our faces"