LOA Absolutes
07-04-2007, 12:12 PM
#71
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I will just say that I emailed my concerns to my LEC rep regarding the "up to $2700" in the LOA (mostly about our company's ability to find a loophole in any contractual language and abuse the spirit, in addition to maybe preventing two F/O's from sharing a place and pocketing some COLA money for living expenses).
All I got in return was a statement that the "Management is on record that will be the amount paid".
This means nothing to me and any pilot that has flown for this company for more than a couple of years!!!
All I got in return was a statement that the "Management is on record that will be the amount paid".
This means nothing to me and any pilot that has flown for this company for more than a couple of years!!!
Trust them as far as you can throw them...(couldn't throw PK very far...)
07-04-2007, 12:59 PM
#72
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Simple things like:
Where will the STVs live and what will their schedules look like?
Total estimated value of the tax equalization plan for a guy who makes:
XXXXXXXXParisXXXXXXX Hong Kong
100K
150K
200K
250K
Will the company offer any legal insurance if member hosed by the chi comms.
07-04-2007, 01:02 PM
#73
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Position: 757 Capt
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I read the LOA. The language seems clear to me. The lack of a COLA and the varying housing/shipping options is enough for me to vote NO.
If I choose to bid I get 3 options,
option 1 existing CBA
option 2 (B.1 in the LOA) existing CBA w/ tax equalization but no FDA bonus as allowed in the existing CBA 6.E.1.e
option 3 smaller bonus than the existing CBA, store my stuff, get to ship 500 lbs to my new home, get a housing allowance, get tax equalization.
To me, the housing allowance seems insufficient. (Paris locality) It is dramatically lower than what Uncle Sam provides the troops, and Uncle Sam isn't typically known for his excessive generosity. E-1 with dependents gets 2975$ housing, 506$ utility allowance, and a COLA.
website for these numbers is posted below
https://secureapp2.hqda.pentagon.mil/perdiem/
To me, my vote is not predicated upon any actions of the MEC, not trying to send a message, also my vote is not predicated on what I think the company might do. My vote is based upon what I think is best for me and my fellow pilots in the long run. I would prefer to send the NC back to the table to improve the LOA versus setting a precedent that I think is inferior and unlikely to dramatically improve in future contact negotioans. Better to fix it now, versus accept it and try and fix it later. (Worst case it's better to fix it in the next contract if the company opens the FDAs without an approved LOA--something the company has "said" it won't do)
I don't particularly care that some people think I make a lot of money and can afford to soak up the extra expense living within 100NM of some of the most expensive cities in the world will entail. [Unless I am greatly mistaken, when the company opened LAX and ANC, no one was required to live within an arbitrary distance of the domicile] Voluntarily choosing to live in high $$$ areas of the US is a whole lot different than having to live near a FDA for the convenience of the company.
The 2700$ housing allowance came from somewhere---so can the company or the Union provide detailed rentals that they deemed suitable to create this total. Or, is it just a number that appeared in a dream. And right now, 2700$ is 1983 Euros and that doesn't buy much appartment, let alone take into consideration the utilities.
If I choose to bid I get 3 options,
option 1 existing CBA
option 2 (B.1 in the LOA) existing CBA w/ tax equalization but no FDA bonus as allowed in the existing CBA 6.E.1.e
option 3 smaller bonus than the existing CBA, store my stuff, get to ship 500 lbs to my new home, get a housing allowance, get tax equalization.
To me, the housing allowance seems insufficient. (Paris locality) It is dramatically lower than what Uncle Sam provides the troops, and Uncle Sam isn't typically known for his excessive generosity. E-1 with dependents gets 2975$ housing, 506$ utility allowance, and a COLA.
website for these numbers is posted below
https://secureapp2.hqda.pentagon.mil/perdiem/
To me, my vote is not predicated upon any actions of the MEC, not trying to send a message, also my vote is not predicated on what I think the company might do. My vote is based upon what I think is best for me and my fellow pilots in the long run. I would prefer to send the NC back to the table to improve the LOA versus setting a precedent that I think is inferior and unlikely to dramatically improve in future contact negotioans. Better to fix it now, versus accept it and try and fix it later. (Worst case it's better to fix it in the next contract if the company opens the FDAs without an approved LOA--something the company has "said" it won't do)
I don't particularly care that some people think I make a lot of money and can afford to soak up the extra expense living within 100NM of some of the most expensive cities in the world will entail. [Unless I am greatly mistaken, when the company opened LAX and ANC, no one was required to live within an arbitrary distance of the domicile] Voluntarily choosing to live in high $$$ areas of the US is a whole lot different than having to live near a FDA for the convenience of the company.
The 2700$ housing allowance came from somewhere---so can the company or the Union provide detailed rentals that they deemed suitable to create this total. Or, is it just a number that appeared in a dream. And right now, 2700$ is 1983 Euros and that doesn't buy much appartment, let alone take into consideration the utilities.
07-04-2007, 02:04 PM
#75
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To me, my vote is not predicated upon any actions of the MEC, not trying to send a message, also my vote is not predicated on what I think the company might do. My vote is based upon what I think is best for me and my fellow pilots in the long run. I would prefer to send the NC back to the table to improve the LOA versus setting a precedent that I think is inferior and unlikely to dramatically improve in future contact negotioans. Better to fix it now, versus accept it and try and fix it later. (Worst case it's better to fix it in the next contract if the company opens the FDAs without an approved LOA--something the company has "said" it won't do)
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07-04-2007, 05:27 PM
#76
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How do you propose to get the company back to the table if we vote this "up"? To me, much more logical question.
07-04-2007, 06:35 PM
#77
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If this is voted down the company can very well take their settlement and go home. What do we do then?
Again, if we vote this down how do we get thee company back to the table? Bueller?
07-04-2007, 07:01 PM
#78
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Position: FedEx Capt
Posts: 292
"Up" the guys going over know what they have. Down and they could very well be on their own.
If this is voted down the company can very well take their settlement and go home. What do we do then?
Again, if we vote this down how do we get thee company back to the table? Bueller?
If this is voted down the company can very well take their settlement and go home. What do we do then?
Again, if we vote this down how do we get thee company back to the table? Bueller?
They also don't want Foreign (or alter ego US) CAT I carriers trying to fly freight in and out of CDG.
They will try again...
07-04-2007, 07:04 PM
#79
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I would like to give everyone the extra pay and tax equilization offered. I DO NOT think the ability to JA folks to SVT for 3 months is a fair trade. As a matter of fact, I don't think there is ANYTHING less than WB captains pay, full perdiem, and a huge override that makes leaving for 3 months involuntarily worth the price. Then again--I take that back. There isn't an amount of money that makes that right. I've lived that life--it was called the military.
We are fighting about pennies and rent change and the real issue is guys are going to get sent overseas against their will with the choice of chosing between their jobs or their families. This is a very bad deal...
We are fighting about pennies and rent change and the real issue is guys are going to get sent overseas against their will with the choice of chosing between their jobs or their families. This is a very bad deal...
Last edited by Albief15; 07-04-2007 at 07:56 PM.
07-04-2007, 07:46 PM
#80
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Position: MD-11 F/O
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Those of us that have left active duty would say this is the number one reason why we left. The greatest thing about being a Fedex Pilot is the ability to drop trips, change our schedules, and do what we want. If this LOA passes, forget about the good life. As for the future schedules in HKG and CDG, i am going to guess all out and backs. 3-4 legs a day. Sounds like a bad deal all around. SIBA good, LOA bad.
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