View Poll Results: How will you vote on the proposed FDX FDA LOA?
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Poll - How will you vote on the new FDX FDA LOA?
08-06-2007, 12:05 PM
#171
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Not 30 days, the full bid month. That's either 28 or 35 PLUS travel days prior and after to get you there and back PLUS any required crew rest.
Anyone who bids this with no tax benefits will get what they deserve. Your argument is someone will want to move from MEM 72 S/O to CDG 75 Capt even without this LOA. Here's how that stacks up:
Second year NB S/O: $71.81/hr
Second year NB Capt : $179.86/hr
Looks like a good deal, unless you actually consider what is going to happen to you -
French Taxes (40%) leaves : $107.92/hr
US Federal Taxes (20% nominal rate after ex-pat deduction) leaves : $102.82/hr
Loss of value on dollar ($1.4 US/Euro) leaves : $73.44/hr
Less than a $2/hour raise for the privilege of living in one of the most expensive cities in the world with no protection against the deflating dollar. Maybe you're right. Maybe there are a few morons on property who would do this, but I sure doubt that you can find 80 of them.
Using your philosophy, you married the first chick you ever had a date with, paid asking price for everything you ever bought and never sent back food not prepared correctly at a restaraunt.
I sure wish you would reconsider rather than following the MEC lemmings off the cliff.
Anyone who bids this with no tax benefits will get what they deserve. Your argument is someone will want to move from MEM 72 S/O to CDG 75 Capt even without this LOA. Here's how that stacks up:
Second year NB S/O: $71.81/hr
Second year NB Capt : $179.86/hr
Looks like a good deal, unless you actually consider what is going to happen to you -
French Taxes (40%) leaves : $107.92/hr
US Federal Taxes (20% nominal rate after ex-pat deduction) leaves : $102.82/hr
Loss of value on dollar ($1.4 US/Euro) leaves : $73.44/hr
Less than a $2/hour raise for the privilege of living in one of the most expensive cities in the world with no protection against the deflating dollar. Maybe you're right. Maybe there are a few morons on property who would do this, but I sure doubt that you can find 80 of them.
Using your philosophy, you married the first chick you ever had a date with, paid asking price for everything you ever bought and never sent back food not prepared correctly at a restaraunt.
I sure wish you would reconsider rather than following the MEC lemmings off the cliff.
08-06-2007, 12:06 PM
#172
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Posts: 2,838
I'll agree ANC isn't HKG, but it the fact remains most folks don't seem to know what the Current Contract already allows.
Many folks do NOT Know that the Company can already FORCE you to another Base (non FDA) for 30 days and they don't have to pay you Trip rig when they do.
While I don't like the STV clause in the LOA, the 30 day at a time limit will not be that beneficial to the Company. Throw in a sick call or two and they lose alot of what they were trying to get. Now 90s day is quite a different matter.
Actually I would prefer we not open any FDA and have all the trips Double Deadhead over there and back like SIBA currently does. But the Company doesn't ask our permission, they don't have to.
Many folks do NOT Know that the Company can already FORCE you to another Base (non FDA) for 30 days and they don't have to pay you Trip rig when they do.
While I don't like the STV clause in the LOA, the 30 day at a time limit will not be that beneficial to the Company. Throw in a sick call or two and they lose alot of what they were trying to get. Now 90s day is quite a different matter.
Actually I would prefer we not open any FDA and have all the trips Double Deadhead over there and back like SIBA currently does. But the Company doesn't ask our permission, they don't have to.
Last edited by RedeyeAV8r; 08-06-2007 at 12:19 PM.
08-06-2007, 12:10 PM
#173
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Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
I'll agree ANC isn't HKG, but it the fact remains most folks don't seem to know what the Current Contract already allows.
Many folks do NOT Know that the Company can already FORCE you to another Base (non FDA) for 90 days and they don't have to pay you Trip rig when they do.
While I don't like the STV clause in the LOA, the 30 day at a time limit will not be that beneficial to the Company. Throw in a sick call or two and they lose alot of what they were trying to get. Now 90 day is quite a different matter.
Actually I would prefer we not open any FDA and have all the trips Double Deadhead over there and back like SIBA currently does. But the Company doesn't ask our permission, they don't have to.
Many folks do NOT Know that the Company can already FORCE you to another Base (non FDA) for 90 days and they don't have to pay you Trip rig when they do.
While I don't like the STV clause in the LOA, the 30 day at a time limit will not be that beneficial to the Company. Throw in a sick call or two and they lose alot of what they were trying to get. Now 90 day is quite a different matter.
Actually I would prefer we not open any FDA and have all the trips Double Deadhead over there and back like SIBA currently does. But the Company doesn't ask our permission, they don't have to.
- If a temporary vacancy(ies) remains following the award process the most junior pilot(s) described in Section 24.C.4.a.i., (above), may be assigned that vacancy(ies) in order of reverse system seniority. A pilot may not be assigned to a temporary vacancy in accordance with this paragraph for longer than 1 bid period nor more than once in any period of 14 consecutive bid periods until all more senior pilots in his crew position have been inversely assigned to those temporary vacancies.
>96 hours till the vote closes where is that side letter?
Last edited by FDXLAG; 08-06-2007 at 12:18 PM.
08-06-2007, 12:23 PM
#176
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If you are STV'd for 1 Bid period or are assigned a Temporary Vacancy Award (voluntarily or Involuntarily) you will not be paid trip RIG while you are there at either place.
08-06-2007, 12:27 PM
#177
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This comment isn't talked about much here, but I have always wondered why ALPA thought that this reason for invol. STV was acceptable. Aren't the flex guys represented by the union like the rest of us? Why is it ok to make a deal that forces them over there if they don't want to go? They obviously can't speak for themselves on this issue b/c they don't exist yet. I expect the company to try to justify things that they think will only affect small group, I don't expect that from the union.
08-06-2007, 12:27 PM
#178
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Position: 757 Capt
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While it is true I won't be paid trip rig for my entire stay at LAX or ANC--the lines are commutable and i am only going to stay there for my 2 weeks of pain.
STV to CDG or HKG will be for the entire bid period.
On the surface, situation looks the same, sounds the same, but in actuality, the two situations are greatly different.
STV to CDG or HKG will be for the entire bid period.
On the surface, situation looks the same, sounds the same, but in actuality, the two situations are greatly different.
08-06-2007, 12:27 PM
#179
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That is correct. And, it sucks they can do it domestically.
Don't you think?
Why would you want to allow them to do it for FDAs, as well?
08-06-2007, 12:30 PM
#180
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