Vote for TonyC
06-24-2007, 10:40 PM
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Good On Ya
Obviously, I'm not a purple dude. But I applaud anyone willing to step up and take on the duties of union work. If you're half the guy your posts here suggest, FALPA is well served. Kick ass and take names.
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06-25-2007, 05:36 AM
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"It doesn't surprise me that Tony C is putting his name in. Good Luck, Tony. It also doesn't surprise me that of the guys who have been b!tching the most, none have."
Did it ever occur to you that not everyone on this board is eligible to run for this slot? It's not like all LEC positions are open. Hate to take away from your general slam against anyone that disagrees with you but you make it sound like anyone can run. I'm sure your smarter than that, aren't you? The more I read your posts JJ the less I think of your opinion. At least you didn't break out the outright name calling here so I guess we should be grateful.
Anyway, good luck Tony. Though we disagree about the correctness and timing of the MEC's actions regarding Age 60 issues, I think you will at least do your best to make sure we get a chance to be educated about the MEC's actions before they are slammed down on us without our input. Hey, if you can get us a vote on those issues now and then that would be great too!! LOL
Did it ever occur to you that not everyone on this board is eligible to run for this slot? It's not like all LEC positions are open. Hate to take away from your general slam against anyone that disagrees with you but you make it sound like anyone can run. I'm sure your smarter than that, aren't you? The more I read your posts JJ the less I think of your opinion. At least you didn't break out the outright name calling here so I guess we should be grateful.
Anyway, good luck Tony. Though we disagree about the correctness and timing of the MEC's actions regarding Age 60 issues, I think you will at least do your best to make sure we get a chance to be educated about the MEC's actions before they are slammed down on us without our input. Hey, if you can get us a vote on those issues now and then that would be great too!! LOL
06-25-2007, 09:06 AM
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[QUOTE=FreightDawgyDog;184813
Did it ever occur to you that not everyone on this board is eligible to run for this slot? It's not like all LEC positions are open. Hate to take away from your general slam against anyone that disagrees with you but you make it sound like anyone can run. [/QUOTE]
So....sounds like as soon as there is an opening in one you are eligible to run for, then you are throwing your name in the hat? I'll expect to see it. Otherwise you will be just what JJ is implying F.O.S. and should be generally slammed against.
This wasn't about you FreightDawgyDog....so don't be defensive... JetJock was conveying a compliment towards TonyC congratulating him on the uncommon commitment that he is showing towards the betterment of his crew force. The proof is in the pudding....how many others have stepped up that post on here?
JetJock is right, lots of vitriol, very little vitality in this effort to "throw the bums out".
I have only heard from one other guy who was intent on a recall and was serious about running for the LEC....but only if he had to. (No I'm not talking about Albie....because he is defering last I heard)
Even Albie, who I admire, and is generally even-handed, is not willing at this time to step up. We all have our personal commitments/limfacs that keep us from doing it... again, the proof is in the pudding. JetJock is right about me too...I don't like what happened, but I don't have the desire to put the rest of my personal agenda on hold to try to make a bunch of pilots feel "represented".
I am not happy about the age 60 thing, (I let DW know personally.....and he graciously indulged me)....but I am not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater, especially because I don't want the job, and in the big picture, I don't think I can do a better job.
My Ox has been gored, but I'll move on.....I am also not going to "find things wrong with the contract" that we so enthusiastically ratified just because we suddenly think that the MEC is part of the illuminati and is secretly working against us for the benefit of the old guys and Fred.
I never expected to agree with those guys one hundred percent, (just like we didn't expect they would agree with each other 100 percent)...I am not a fair weather sailor......I didn't disown my father when he pi$$ed me off, I don't disown my kids when they pi$$ me off.
I will also prudently review any LOA for foreign domiciles that comes out, and if the Negotiating Committee thinks it's a good deal...(since the Negotiating Committee speaks for me) more than likely I will vote for it, since on my own, I don't think I could get another $25 a week more from Fred in stipend.....just not gonna happen.
Especially since I probably won't bid either place with small children, I don't want to kill a good (at least better than we have now deal) for those that want to go. It would be perfect for a single guy, or a couple with no kids, or an over sixty guy with kids out of the house...particularly if all those guys are senior to me in the domicile I'm at.
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Did it ever occur to you that not everyone on this board is eligible to run for this slot? It's not like all LEC positions are open. Hate to take away from your general slam against anyone that disagrees with you but you make it sound like anyone can run. [/QUOTE]
So....sounds like as soon as there is an opening in one you are eligible to run for, then you are throwing your name in the hat? I'll expect to see it. Otherwise you will be just what JJ is implying F.O.S. and should be generally slammed against.
This wasn't about you FreightDawgyDog....so don't be defensive... JetJock was conveying a compliment towards TonyC congratulating him on the uncommon commitment that he is showing towards the betterment of his crew force. The proof is in the pudding....how many others have stepped up that post on here?
JetJock is right, lots of vitriol, very little vitality in this effort to "throw the bums out".
I have only heard from one other guy who was intent on a recall and was serious about running for the LEC....but only if he had to. (No I'm not talking about Albie....because he is defering last I heard)
Even Albie, who I admire, and is generally even-handed, is not willing at this time to step up. We all have our personal commitments/limfacs that keep us from doing it... again, the proof is in the pudding. JetJock is right about me too...I don't like what happened, but I don't have the desire to put the rest of my personal agenda on hold to try to make a bunch of pilots feel "represented".
I am not happy about the age 60 thing, (I let DW know personally.....and he graciously indulged me)....but I am not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater, especially because I don't want the job, and in the big picture, I don't think I can do a better job.
My Ox has been gored, but I'll move on.....I am also not going to "find things wrong with the contract" that we so enthusiastically ratified just because we suddenly think that the MEC is part of the illuminati and is secretly working against us for the benefit of the old guys and Fred.
I never expected to agree with those guys one hundred percent, (just like we didn't expect they would agree with each other 100 percent)...I am not a fair weather sailor......I didn't disown my father when he pi$$ed me off, I don't disown my kids when they pi$$ me off.
I will also prudently review any LOA for foreign domiciles that comes out, and if the Negotiating Committee thinks it's a good deal...(since the Negotiating Committee speaks for me) more than likely I will vote for it, since on my own, I don't think I could get another $25 a week more from Fred in stipend.....just not gonna happen.
Especially since I probably won't bid either place with small children, I don't want to kill a good (at least better than we have now deal) for those that want to go. It would be perfect for a single guy, or a couple with no kids, or an over sixty guy with kids out of the house...particularly if all those guys are senior to me in the domicile I'm at.
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06-25-2007, 09:44 AM
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Maybe I missed it. Is JJ currently a union rep?
There is no logical validity to the assertion that "You shouldn't complain if you don't volunteer." Follow that assertion to its conclusion and you see how stupid it is. You end up with all non-volunteers agreeing or silent on every issue. Where does that get us? Use the SIG as an example. If you're not on the SIG you cannot complain about the line construction. Gee, that will help them make better lines!
Flip it over. "Only volunteers can complain." If all of the volunteers were the only ones that could complain --- would we be better off? But if you aren't a volunteer, you couldn't complain about it!!
By the way, I have volunteered in numerous Union positions in my career --- other airline than Fedex. BUT, nobody on any of the committees I worked on believed that the line guys shouldn't complain to us. We believed we worked for them -- We wanted to know what they thought so we could spend THEIR money wisely.
Right now, I am trying to raise a family. We are all at different stages of our lives. When the kids are gone, I hope to volunteer at FEDEX. Volunteers should be commended for their effort, but that does not mean that you don't complain if they screw up!
There is no logical validity to the assertion that "You shouldn't complain if you don't volunteer." Follow that assertion to its conclusion and you see how stupid it is. You end up with all non-volunteers agreeing or silent on every issue. Where does that get us? Use the SIG as an example. If you're not on the SIG you cannot complain about the line construction. Gee, that will help them make better lines!
Flip it over. "Only volunteers can complain." If all of the volunteers were the only ones that could complain --- would we be better off? But if you aren't a volunteer, you couldn't complain about it!!
By the way, I have volunteered in numerous Union positions in my career --- other airline than Fedex. BUT, nobody on any of the committees I worked on believed that the line guys shouldn't complain to us. We believed we worked for them -- We wanted to know what they thought so we could spend THEIR money wisely.
Right now, I am trying to raise a family. We are all at different stages of our lives. When the kids are gone, I hope to volunteer at FEDEX. Volunteers should be commended for their effort, but that does not mean that you don't complain if they screw up!
06-25-2007, 09:50 AM
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missed the point
I was only stating that I am not happy but I am not willing to do anything about it. JetJock was congratulating TonyC because he has the temerity and commitment to take it one step farther than bit@hing.
It was a compliment to TonyC...not a slam to anyone else.
Now this is meant to slam all of you that took offense at JetJock's comments:
You remind me of a bunch of insecure women who take offense when someone other than you is made the center of attention or complimented in an area that makes you feel defensive.....get over it... it wasn't about you!
Why not congratulate a good guy that is going the extra mile for your benefit and be gracious about it?
It was a compliment to TonyC...not a slam to anyone else.
Now this is meant to slam all of you that took offense at JetJock's comments:
You remind me of a bunch of insecure women who take offense when someone other than you is made the center of attention or complimented in an area that makes you feel defensive.....get over it... it wasn't about you!
Why not congratulate a good guy that is going the extra mile for your benefit and be gracious about it?
06-25-2007, 10:20 AM
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I was only stating that I am not happy but I am not willing to do anything about it. JetJock was congratulating TonyC because he has the temerity and commitment to take it one step farther than bit@hing.
It was a compliment to TonyC...not a slam to anyone else.
Now this is meant to slam all of you that took offense at JetJock's comments:
You remind me of a bunch of insecure women who take offense when someone other than you is made the center of attention or complimented in an area that makes you feel defensive.....get over it... it wasn't about you!
Why not congratulate a good guy that is going the extra mile for your benefit and be gracious about it?
It was a compliment to TonyC...not a slam to anyone else.
Now this is meant to slam all of you that took offense at JetJock's comments:
You remind me of a bunch of insecure women who take offense when someone other than you is made the center of attention or complimented in an area that makes you feel defensive.....get over it... it wasn't about you!
Why not congratulate a good guy that is going the extra mile for your benefit and be gracious about it?
I WASN"T TALKING TO YOU!!! I never read your post till now. I merely saw a 2 sentence post from JJ and commented on the second. I agree with his first sentence and thought the second one was a weak attempt to slam a lot of others here. 2 sentences - one I disagreed with. Your post had nothing to do with it!
06-25-2007, 10:28 AM
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"It also doesn't surprise me that of the guys who have been b!tching the most, none have."
OK Jakal..if you see the above remark as nothing more than a compliment to TonyC than there's not much else to say on that subject.
Then you follow with..
"So....sounds like as soon as there is an opening in one you are eligible to run for, then you are throwing your name in the hat? I'll expect to see it. Otherwise you will be just what JJ is implying F.O.S. and should be generally slammed against.
This wasn't about you FreightDawgyDog....so don't be defensive..."
Say again, over? Was JJ slamming against others, including me, or not? So, it wasn't about me but if I don't run for the next open LEC position in my block it will be? Thanks for the F.O.S. shot by the way. Always good to carry on mature, no insults or name calling dialogue with my peers. As I have done with JJ in the past, I hope you will forgive me for not degrading my posts and retaliating in kind with that kind of tactic. Anyway, you seem to contradict yourself here. And for the record, I did add my compliments to TonyC at the bottom of my previous post.
At least all the above makes me feel better about taking you seriously when you say..
"You remind me of a bunch of insecure women who take offense when someone other than you is made the center of attention or complimented in an area that makes you feel defensive.....get over it... it wasn't about you!"
As far as throwing my hat in the ring for the next LEC position I will see what I can do at that time but not because you or JJ think I can't have an opinion if I don't. In the past, I have been approached by many who have run for the slot in my block for my backing and have endorsed them. My current block rep still has my support for now but he knows just how I feel about the rubber stamp Age 60 issues got from most of the MEC. Though I have not run for any LEC positions, I have served as a volunteer on at least 4 different committees and given a hell of a lot of my free time to help them out. I have also volunteered but not been needed on a few others. Want to compare who has logged more hours helping out in the union? I feel I have earned my right to vent here and with my MEC regardless of what you or JJ think. Just because you run for and hold an office doesn't mean you get a pass when decisions are made that others may not agree with. Anyway, thanks for posting your opinion and I accept it without the requirement for you to run for the next open position on the LEC to be valid. Happy Landings..
OK Jakal..if you see the above remark as nothing more than a compliment to TonyC than there's not much else to say on that subject.
Then you follow with..
"So....sounds like as soon as there is an opening in one you are eligible to run for, then you are throwing your name in the hat? I'll expect to see it. Otherwise you will be just what JJ is implying F.O.S. and should be generally slammed against.
This wasn't about you FreightDawgyDog....so don't be defensive..."
Say again, over? Was JJ slamming against others, including me, or not? So, it wasn't about me but if I don't run for the next open LEC position in my block it will be? Thanks for the F.O.S. shot by the way. Always good to carry on mature, no insults or name calling dialogue with my peers. As I have done with JJ in the past, I hope you will forgive me for not degrading my posts and retaliating in kind with that kind of tactic. Anyway, you seem to contradict yourself here. And for the record, I did add my compliments to TonyC at the bottom of my previous post.
At least all the above makes me feel better about taking you seriously when you say..
"You remind me of a bunch of insecure women who take offense when someone other than you is made the center of attention or complimented in an area that makes you feel defensive.....get over it... it wasn't about you!"
As far as throwing my hat in the ring for the next LEC position I will see what I can do at that time but not because you or JJ think I can't have an opinion if I don't. In the past, I have been approached by many who have run for the slot in my block for my backing and have endorsed them. My current block rep still has my support for now but he knows just how I feel about the rubber stamp Age 60 issues got from most of the MEC. Though I have not run for any LEC positions, I have served as a volunteer on at least 4 different committees and given a hell of a lot of my free time to help them out. I have also volunteered but not been needed on a few others. Want to compare who has logged more hours helping out in the union? I feel I have earned my right to vent here and with my MEC regardless of what you or JJ think. Just because you run for and hold an office doesn't mean you get a pass when decisions are made that others may not agree with. Anyway, thanks for posting your opinion and I accept it without the requirement for you to run for the next open position on the LEC to be valid. Happy Landings..
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