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Old 06-15-2007, 05:55 AM
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FedEx to base pilots overseas
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FedEx Corp. plans to establish pilot bases in Paris and Hong Kong, saving it the cost of getting U.S.-based pilots to work and giving it more flexibility as it takes on DHL, the No. 1 courier company in Europe.
The Memphis-based company and the pilots' union are discussing an amendment to the pilots' contract, including cost-of-living stipends and details about the planes FedEx intends to fly in each market.
We've had very cordial dialogue with the company," said David Webb, chairman of the FedEx master executive council of the Air Line Pilots Association.
"We've had ongoing trips to Asia to look at housing, schools and hospitals. These two domiciles are going to be important to the future growth of Federal Express," he said.
The conversations, Webb said, have been going on for years.
He expects FedEx would like to have pilots bid on the new routes this year.
"We're working diligently to complete the negotiations. Everyone seems to be willing to listen to each other and make the best effort to have it work out," said Maury Lane, company spokesman. "But we're in no rush because we can keep doing business the way we are."
For pilots, particularly young pilots, an overseas base can offer chances to move up the pay scale with promotions not available in larger bases. For instance, a first officer in Memphis who lacks seniority to fly in the captain's seat could be senior in a smaller domicile.
Promotion from first officer to captain normally carries a 35 percent raise. A 15-year first officer moving to the most senior captain's seat would make an added $60,000 to $70,000 a year.
Traditionally, FedEx has agreed to pay moving costs to and from a domicile for pilots who stay three years.
Setting up foreign bases could save it millions in commuting costs. For instance, for June, FedEx has 31 flights to Europe to get 64 pilots in place. FedEx can expect to spend $330,000 on their tickets -- an annual rate of $3.9 million.
Figures are based on round-trip, first-class tickets that average $5,200, according to the company's flight operations Web site.
When domiciles are established, pilots who choose to commute from the United States, or from anywhere else, will have to pay their own fares.
FedEx has bases in Memphis, Los Angeles, Subic Bay and Anchorage, Alaska. Memphis is the largest.
"You want to have your pilots based where the flight originates because that's where you have the longest layovers," said Satish Jindel at S J Consulting near Pittsburgh. "It gives the pilots a better quality of life and better scheduling."
The change comes as FedEx adds capacity to its fleet and prepares to open its Asian hub in Guangzhou, China, in December 2008. FedEx's Asian business is growing by double digits; growth in Europe is slightly less.
Last fall, FedEx said it intended to spend $2.6 billion to buy 90 Boeing 757-200s, which it will deploy largely in Europe.
What makes the 757 attractive is that it can land anywhere FedEx now lands 727s.
The 757 can carry 20 percent more cargo and costs 25 percent less to operate than a 727, including the crew. It requires a two-person crew; the 727 requires three crew members.
That means the company can carry packages at a lower cost per package, allowing it to increase profit margins in the overnight delivery sector, still its core business.
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Old 06-15-2007, 06:13 AM
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Funny how 757's were originally purchased to replace the 727 but now are somehow mysteriously going to "deploy largely in" Euroland. That was never part of the original announcement.

I am at least glad it's HKG and CDG. I can already hear the seniority suction and it is a beautiful thing.

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Old 06-15-2007, 06:53 AM
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Nothing in that article that we didn't already know. The paper is actually 6-10 months behind. And, I've always heard that the initial batch of 757s where going to Europe. Extensive discussion of that on this board in the last 6 months.
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Nothing in that article that we didn't already know. The paper is actually 6-10 months behind. And, I've always heard that the initial batch of 757s where going to Europe. Extensive discussion of that on this board in the last 6 months.
Just puts in print the company's intentions in negotiating any LOAs by revealing the carrot in public!

For pilots, particularly young pilots, an overseas base can offer chances to move up the pay scale with promotions not available in larger bases. For instance, a first officer in Memphis who lacks seniority to fly in the captain's seat could be senior in a smaller domicile.
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Had to hear it from the Paper FDX HKG/CDG
I too was a bit surprised that the first time I saw this in writing was in the "Memphis Mullet Wrapper". I would have appreciated an advance copy from the union and the company?

Well, at least I'm glad to hear from some source than MY union is negotiating another benefit on my behalf. Maybe we should take a poll so that the union leadership can decide what's best for all of us?


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Old 06-15-2007, 09:17 AM
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What! I have to sleep on the Floor for 10 hours to get to Asia and you guys go First Class. Wow, how I love Cindy and Tom. But we did get a 3 hour pay deduction if we go to work on Monday instead of Sunday. Lovely.
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark

Well, at least I'm glad to hear from some source than MY union is negotiating another benefit on my behalf. Maybe we should take a poll so that the union leadership can decide what's best for all of us?

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The Union might have to negotiate with the pilot group and the company...I can't imagine them getting input from an "experienced" pilot group.
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Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog
Just puts in print the company's intentions in negotiating any LOAs by revealing the carrot in public!
So, what else is new? The Company has always - IN ALL WAYS, been out front with their spin. Where have our guys been? Always responding to Company PR. Maybe that's where the change needs to occur.
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Any clue as to which equipment they'll be using in HKG? A widebody would make sense, but who knows??? MD-11/10 or A300??

The lure of an overseas assignment sounds enticing, but unless there is a significant stipend/COLA attached to it, I don't see it being very practical. Someone with several school-aged children may have to fork out a lot of dough just to educate them. Then, of course, there's housing, food, health care, etc.... Certainly hope the union does their homework!!

One may have to take out a loan just to put it on their standing bid.
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It won't be the 757 in HKG, so a widebody is a likely answer.

You're right, Pecan, about the cost of school and living in general there. The pay will have to be massive to compensate for living in one of the most expensive cities in the world.

Now, anybody wish to guess how junior a HKG domicile will go? I'll make a prediction of 3-year captains and new hires directly positioned to China.
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