RedeyeAV8r

I don't recall being told how to vote on any Contract or LOA.

FDXLAG

You dont remember being told what would happen if we voted no on this contract after the NC spent millions of manhours and sweat on the finished product? Not belittling their effort, I wouldn't do it. They have my respect.

Was it a direct order? No. Were threats of everyone resigning and then how are we going to get a better contract made? yes

I will vote yes or no on the LOA depending on whether it helps or dosen't help us to get better language in the next contract. Better language means it helps all members who want to go to a foriegn posting. If we vote no and the company rescinds their offer tough, at least we don't set a bad precedent for contract 2010.

RedeyeAV8r

I remember being told that if we vote NO we had better be ready to vote with our feet. Practically anytime a deal is struck and the Union puts its endorsment on it, they are always asking for your support. That isn't just at FDX that is everywhere.

I personally voted NO (because of the Lack of real Work rule protections/enhancements which was one of the corner stone issues) Doesn't mean I was Anit Union or ALPA or the Negotiating committee, simply I didn't feel it offered what I thought we needed.
It doesn't matter because 93% of those who voted disagreed with me and I'm OK with that. The real sad part is that many members chose not to vote at all! Thats Pathetic

kwri10s

DW specifically sent out a message for the CRAF LOA telling us to vote for it. In fact, during that voting there were several MEC reps that were encouraging us not to vote for it or at least to get a better written product. But DW wrote a scathing letter shooting down all their points and telling the membership to vote yes. He said that any problems would be fixed during the next contract negotiations. But they weren't.

The same could be said for the ANC LOA. It was presented in a "show your support for your negotiating committee" format. Ie, "My negotiating committee speaks for me."

Micro

NO I did NOT vote for the current contract. I think overall it's a piece of c**p for many many reasons and I DID discuss all of them with my MEC rep. And listening to more and more pilots at the hub, many are finally realizing, and admitting, that we were "sold" a bill of goods that has not turned out like the NG and the MEC professed. 93% of the pilots voted for this contract not because it was good but because of the reason below (DW's "red letter") or they didn't read it and just took the word of the NG and the MEC. You may disagree with me on this but I can assure you that I have asked almost everyone I've flown with if they've read the contract and the answer is almost always no. Check for yourself.

RedeyeAV8r

As for the ANC Move package.............Pilots who bid to/from ANC now get a move package where before they did not. Could it have been better........Yep just like every section of the contract could have been better. The leadership can only do so much. As line pilots, If we can't even police our own for flying disputed pairings at will or taking a Hiatus from xtra flying during end game negotiations.what miracle do you expect?

And since you brought up the CRAF LOA. You failed to mention that The Union also hinted that Pilots should not Volunteer for those CRAF mission flights until an LOA was crafted. They were plucked out of open time so quick it made your head spin. Thus We got what we got. only a very slight improvemnt on CRAF stuff. No different than Pilots flying DFT/VLT during the final stages of Negotiations. We got what we got. Show me a pilot force that is behind the Union and I'll show you a Union that delivers better deals. With a fractured or disenfranchised Union, you get what you can get with your hat in hand. The bottom line is that everyone got to read it and decide for themselves.

RedeyeAV8r

I don't think we disagree all that much really but what does that say about individuals who voted yes (or NO) without first reading it? Do they have no brains and cannpot think for themselves. When a TA is reached, most of the time , not always, it is endorsed by the respective MEC. If they endorse it, of course they want you to vote for it. If a TA is voted down, there are usually negative ramifications for the Union and membership, and members need to understand that.

But why should anyone who voted for it be Unhappy? That I just don't get.
BTW those non reading AYE voting crew memebers that I have some awesome Beach front Property in Western Kansas. It is a bargain, just have them PM me for Info.

Micro

Why are they unhappy??? Because they are finally realizing that the contract is not what they were told it was or not what they THOUGHT it was. (OK maybe you were just being sarcastic)

By the way I'm always looking for good investments; but as a pilot this property can only be worth 1/2 what I pay for it. Deal??

Laughing_Jakal

If Micro is who I think he is.....then he'll never be happy. I love him like a brother, but he has always biotched about the MEC. I really don't know what will satisfy him.

Micro

I'd be forever happy with beach front property in Kansas. Ha!! Are you my brother or sister?? No matter how p****d off I get at this MEC's actions I'll always keep my sense of humor.