Paddles

For those of us that couldn't make it, how did the mtg in AOC with DW and the MEC rep's go last night?

HoursHore

If they were hubturning, they're probably asleep.

But I heard it was a massive rumble, young guys against the Old.

Foxhunter was wielding his cane like a Bo Staff.

Some guy

Went last night full of **** and vinegar but left feeling better and more informed...walking in, my biggest beef was with Dave's weekend message where it seemed to me that our MEC was going against the majority by recommending to ALPA National that we change our position to one that is in favor of 65. At the AOC meeting, he stated that the rule is going to change, possibly sooner than expected due to certain congressmen pushing the issue very hard. ALPA has been told by their lobbyists on the Hill that the only way to mitigate the impact of the rule change is by accepting it first (in order to open doors), and then push for pension and long term disability safeguards to be included with the bill or supplemental bills to be passed in conjunction. However, if we continue to oppose the rule, we will be left out in the cold because the bill will have been passed without these safegauards and it is much harder to include them after the fact. By the way, he also stated that he was against ALPA conducting the polls because the rule is going to change and in addition to being a complete waste of time and resources, it gives the members the feeling that we can still effectively oppose the bill; we can't. Overall, good turn out with lot's of tough questions from those not in favor of changing the rule. He convinced me.

SG

MD11Fr8Dog

While I didn't attend the meeting last night, I did send a letter to my Rep, my LEC and Comm. Chairman. I have to say that Vic, Jack and Brad were quick to respond and I while I don't like where we are, I'm satisfied with their explanations. Still not happy with the way that Webb blind sided everyone with NO warning.

JollyF15

SG,
What was DW postion on bringing the retired guys back? I understand we will have to suck this up, but will we have guys going from the panel back to the left or right seat?

fdx727pilot

If the rule, either from Congress or the FAA, whichever comes first, does not have any proactive language preventing current current over-60 pilots from returning, then the union supports their return to whatever seat they can hold. DW said he did not think the law would take that form, though. That said, that has nothing to do with people who are actually retired. They won't be back. And people who are retired have nothing to do with over 60 SOs, the situation DW was addressing.

MD11Fr8Dog

What about the grey area, those on LOA? Anyone mention or ask about these?

Albief15

Now it comes down to "mitigating the damage". Stopping over 60 flow back saves everyone below them 150-200 numbers.

Pretty much everyone under 59 ought to be FOR these guys leaving and not coming back.

Putting this back to the NPRM and slow leaking it will help... Should be an interesting fall.

fdx727pilot

Not that I heard.

jdec141

he said(don't take this out on me i'm only quoting him) " it was the right thing to do". he said these individuals are paying members protected under the contract just like the rest of us who are under 60 and they deserve this as they still have their senority number. that being said he also said the chance of this happening has as much chance as the maximum age remaining at 60 which he says is next to impossible. he also said that one of the provisions the faa is looking at is requiring all the over 60 to maintain a class 1 physical which he said a lot of them can't and that a lot of them won't want to risk a training failure. I think passover pay is the real issue here but there again he said there is a very sliim chance of this ever happening.