Any Gouge on the FDX ALPA mtg in AOC?
05-09-2007, 04:40 PM
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I doubt it. Take another hit of that bong you're working on.
05-09-2007, 04:49 PM
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Despite my disappointment with the MEC and the meeting last night, I don't think that a recall is in order YET.
Here is why: There is a chance that the MEC is right about the change. Should it play out the way DW says and we are able to avoid a congressional edict and help craft the NPRM, we might actually do better in the long run. That is a distinct possibility that we should not discount.
A recall couldn't happen quickly enough to prevent him from making his play next week, and it isn't going to change the actions of ALPA National.
How the final language of the rule is crafted (should it go to a NPRM vice legislation) should probably dictate whether or not a recall effort is started for DW. I feel that we will be better off with the NPRM process, so if they are right and we are able to go that route I will humbly eat crow and accept that the leadership did know what they were doing. If not, and we get the legislation jammed down are throats even after they change their stance, it is still a split decision.
If we get to a NPRM and the leadership crafts language that goes against the wishes of the majority then I would definitely say it might be time to recall the MEC and try new leadership.
There seems to be a sense of urgency in the MEC to get onboard so that the legislation doesn't get slammed at us. I think that too is misplaced, because I think the entire government is still working on a CR for this year and I doubt that the FAA reauthorization bill is on any fast track to being passed. I could certainly be wrong about that.
FJ
Here is why: There is a chance that the MEC is right about the change. Should it play out the way DW says and we are able to avoid a congressional edict and help craft the NPRM, we might actually do better in the long run. That is a distinct possibility that we should not discount.
A recall couldn't happen quickly enough to prevent him from making his play next week, and it isn't going to change the actions of ALPA National.
How the final language of the rule is crafted (should it go to a NPRM vice legislation) should probably dictate whether or not a recall effort is started for DW. I feel that we will be better off with the NPRM process, so if they are right and we are able to go that route I will humbly eat crow and accept that the leadership did know what they were doing. If not, and we get the legislation jammed down are throats even after they change their stance, it is still a split decision.
If we get to a NPRM and the leadership crafts language that goes against the wishes of the majority then I would definitely say it might be time to recall the MEC and try new leadership.
There seems to be a sense of urgency in the MEC to get onboard so that the legislation doesn't get slammed at us. I think that too is misplaced, because I think the entire government is still working on a CR for this year and I doubt that the FAA reauthorization bill is on any fast track to being passed. I could certainly be wrong about that.
FJ
05-09-2007, 04:59 PM
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Rumor mill says the MEC guys make a TON of money. I bet if we published their W-2 income lots of qualified candidates would come running to "volunteer"?
Albie might be a very good candidate!
Mark
05-09-2007, 05:04 PM
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Sleepy, we know you just got elected as a new union officer so why dont you give us your opinion. Are you ready to tell us your personal thoughts on this issue or not? We are listening.
05-09-2007, 05:05 PM
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Whatever happened to the power of the union? ALPA is the largest pilot union in the world, yet they stand by and say this is a lost cause??????
Why can't the members stand up and vote on what WE want regarding age60? Why does it have to be jammed down our throats, when we're the ones that actually have to do the job. The FAA and Congress should be listening to ALPA, not making up some b.s. of ALPA better get onboard or else. I would think that the largest pilot union in the world might have a little larger voice.
Why can't the members stand up and vote on what WE want regarding age60? Why does it have to be jammed down our throats, when we're the ones that actually have to do the job. The FAA and Congress should be listening to ALPA, not making up some b.s. of ALPA better get onboard or else. I would think that the largest pilot union in the world might have a little larger voice.
05-09-2007, 05:39 PM
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Wtf?
MaydayMark; "Rumor mill says the MEC guys make a TON of money. I bet if we published their W-2 income lots of qualified candidates would come running to "volunteer"?"
Does anyone ever go to an ALPA meeting, do any ALPA volunteer work or read the ALPA constitution? Are you happy being a mushroom and reading stuff like this?
Does anyone ever go to an ALPA meeting, do any ALPA volunteer work or read the ALPA constitution? Are you happy being a mushroom and reading stuff like this?
05-09-2007, 07:06 PM
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Just in case you can't find it, once again it is 901-338-1974.
05-09-2007, 07:23 PM
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Hehehe....boy then we'd really be screwed....
(excuses follow...)
I'm in the wrong block, I've got a bad back, and I've got 27 horses to feed. I'm probably not your guy. Like most of us here--I also got a lot more time complaining under my belt than I do leading the charge to fix things.
Who is the right guy? DW might be. I can't say. Sleepy is a fan, and I have tremendous respect for his judgement, heart, and work ethic. However--I also know Sleepy cares what we think, and is available for communication. DW appears to "not be listening...", or at least transmits some pretty hard to take medicine.
Now...DW may be a WHOLE lot better poker player than I am. (Ask Jolly how long it takes to clean out my chips and leave me drunk in the corner watching the rest of players in the tournament...hint....NOT long...) There may be more to this than I see.
My point was if you "no $hit" don't feel like your union is responsive, then you need to (Prater's words) "take it back..." So...my point is I feel NO personal loyalty to DW. I DO feel a loyalty to our MEC. A recall vote would simply remind everyone ALPA serves the force, not vice versa. If everyone is convinced DW is NOT responding then a recall vote would force him to A) 'splain this madness going on or B) accept the voting results. Actually--based on the typical difference between bi+ching and action, he'd probably survive the vote and actually end up more empowered. That ain't necessarily bad--so long as we all got off our duff and voted and got involved. I don't want there to be any doubt that our union listens to us. Judging by the amount of calls and emails zinging around right now, it appears at least they are aware there is some serious discontent. If we truely have retroactivity then the 4500+ guys affected negatively by that decision need to have it explained slowly and carefully why it must be so. And we'll listen....just don't say "because we know what is best for you long term...." You gotta have a college degree to work at FedEx, and everyone here has been a captain. If you'll explain it intelligently we might not like it, but we will listen.
(excuses follow...)
I'm in the wrong block, I've got a bad back, and I've got 27 horses to feed. I'm probably not your guy. Like most of us here--I also got a lot more time complaining under my belt than I do leading the charge to fix things.
Who is the right guy? DW might be. I can't say. Sleepy is a fan, and I have tremendous respect for his judgement, heart, and work ethic. However--I also know Sleepy cares what we think, and is available for communication. DW appears to "not be listening...", or at least transmits some pretty hard to take medicine.
Now...DW may be a WHOLE lot better poker player than I am. (Ask Jolly how long it takes to clean out my chips and leave me drunk in the corner watching the rest of players in the tournament...hint....NOT long...) There may be more to this than I see.
My point was if you "no $hit" don't feel like your union is responsive, then you need to (Prater's words) "take it back..." So...my point is I feel NO personal loyalty to DW. I DO feel a loyalty to our MEC. A recall vote would simply remind everyone ALPA serves the force, not vice versa. If everyone is convinced DW is NOT responding then a recall vote would force him to A) 'splain this madness going on or B) accept the voting results. Actually--based on the typical difference between bi+ching and action, he'd probably survive the vote and actually end up more empowered. That ain't necessarily bad--so long as we all got off our duff and voted and got involved. I don't want there to be any doubt that our union listens to us. Judging by the amount of calls and emails zinging around right now, it appears at least they are aware there is some serious discontent. If we truely have retroactivity then the 4500+ guys affected negatively by that decision need to have it explained slowly and carefully why it must be so. And we'll listen....just don't say "because we know what is best for you long term...." You gotta have a college degree to work at FedEx, and everyone here has been a captain. If you'll explain it intelligently we might not like it, but we will listen.
05-09-2007, 07:37 PM
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If the MEC feels "it's the right thing to do" on a huge issue such as this, they are dutibound to educate us - convince us to the best of their ability - and then allow a vote and follow it. Anything less destroys the very fabric of a "union".
Wonder why the MEC sent out those ridiculous responses about compensation a few months ago referencing the guidelines on the ALPA website when they could have easily posted the 2 pages of compensation in their email? They don't want you to know what they make. Webb makes about $281K/yr with very nice work hours, days, sick leave and vacation. (98 CH/month)+$1500/month.
I find it hard to trust these guys when they don't put it all out on the table. What are they hiding?
Wonder why the MEC sent out those ridiculous responses about compensation a few months ago referencing the guidelines on the ALPA website when they could have easily posted the 2 pages of compensation in their email? They don't want you to know what they make. Webb makes about $281K/yr with very nice work hours, days, sick leave and vacation. (98 CH/month)+$1500/month.
I find it hard to trust these guys when they don't put it all out on the table. What are they hiding?
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