Any Gouge on the FDX ALPA mtg in AOC?
05-09-2007, 11:21 AM
#21
...Whatever It Is!
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,680
Anybody ask anything about:
1. Getting rid of the VEBA via LOA
2. Getting rid of the other over 50 windfalls in the contract via LOA
3. ALPA's stance on our B fund implications.
4. Over 60's bidding back to a front seat - do they need a vacancy/excess bid or do they get carte blanche
5. Getting our scope money back.
6. Implications with the over 60 capt and under 60 fo. Any ideas?
1. Getting rid of the VEBA via LOA
2. Getting rid of the other over 50 windfalls in the contract via LOA
3. ALPA's stance on our B fund implications.
4. Over 60's bidding back to a front seat - do they need a vacancy/excess bid or do they get carte blanche
5. Getting our scope money back.
6. Implications with the over 60 capt and under 60 fo. Any ideas?
You're asuming that EVERY pilot turning age 60 will continue to fly past 60. Not true, I know many that will not, and when my time comes, I will go early, right now planning to go at 58 and 7 months - when I have 25 yrs - of course, that's still 13.5 yrs from now and there's still potential for exwives, wasted money, and stupid investments!
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05-09-2007, 11:22 AM
#22
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: A300 CAP FDX
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Seniority is DOH
Now it comes down to "mitigating the damage". Stopping over 60 flow back saves everyone below them 150-200 numbers.
Pretty much everyone under 59 ought to be FOR these guys leaving and not coming back.
Putting this back to the NPRM and slow leaking it will help... Should be an interesting fall.
Pretty much everyone under 59 ought to be FOR these guys leaving and not coming back.
Putting this back to the NPRM and slow leaking it will help... Should be an interesting fall.
By selectively not honoring DOH, (denying retreads their chance to retread again) we undermine the very basis our ENTIRE qol is based on. Do you really want to do that? Do you really want to be looking over YOUR shoulder when you're 59?
I know it's hard to swallow this crap sandwich we've all been dealt (and the smug attitudes of Foxhunter, and Non-member Bob make it that much harder). But if we start advocating selectively denying ANY individual's right to bid any seat he can hold, we end up eating our young, and shooting ourselves in the foot.
If FredEx wants to retrain them, they will find a way to allow them to bid back up front. If George (yes, even George, or whoever has maybe "3togo") can pass the training and the check, they deserve the seat. I hate to say it, and I don't like it either. C'est la vie.
You don't always get what you want. Let's at least try to stay on the same page and try to protect what we need, in order to live with this. The hand writing has been on the wall for some time. We need to swallow hard and deal with it.
Flame on, if it helps.
05-09-2007, 11:23 AM
#23
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Position: Retired
Posts: 980
Now it comes down to "mitigating the damage". Stopping over 60 flow back saves everyone below them 150-200 numbers.
Pretty much everyone under 59 ought to be FOR these guys leaving and not coming back.
Putting this back to the NPRM and slow leaking it will help... Should be an interesting fall.
Pretty much everyone under 59 ought to be FOR these guys leaving and not coming back.
Putting this back to the NPRM and slow leaking it will help... Should be an interesting fall.
05-09-2007, 11:28 AM
#24
Trust but Verify!!
Joined APC: May 2006
Position: MD11 CRA
Posts: 684
"He said that if he gets recalled because he did the right thing for those on our seniority list than he can live with that."
If he is recalled it would not be because he thinks he did the right thing by a small percentage of our pilots. It will be because he refuses to allow the members to have a say on huge issues effecting their careers and quality of life. Putting emotion aside, his refusal to allow us a say as dues paying members is the real issue here. Wonder what the next edict will be that DW gives us no say on? Democracy obviously has no place in his rule, especially when he knows he will lose. That's hardly heroic in my book.
If he is recalled it would not be because he thinks he did the right thing by a small percentage of our pilots. It will be because he refuses to allow the members to have a say on huge issues effecting their careers and quality of life. Putting emotion aside, his refusal to allow us a say as dues paying members is the real issue here. Wonder what the next edict will be that DW gives us no say on? Democracy obviously has no place in his rule, especially when he knows he will lose. That's hardly heroic in my book.
05-09-2007, 11:30 AM
#25
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Position: Retired
Posts: 980
I would rather say "pretty much everyone under 59 ought to be for" preserving EVERY aspect of SENIORITY, a system that has been the basis of our QOL for many years.
By selectively not honoring DOH, (denying retreads their chance to retread again) we undermine the very basis our ENTIRE qol is based on. Do you really want to do that? Do you really want to be looking over YOUR shoulder when you're 59?
I know it's hard to swallow this crap sandwich we've all been dealt (and the smug attitudes of Foxhunter, and Non-member Bob make it that much harder). But if we start advocating selectively denying ANY individual's right to bid any seat he can hold, we end up eating our young, and shooting ourselves in the foot.
If FredEx wants to retrain them, they will find a way to allow them to bid back up front. If George (yes, even George, or whoever has maybe "3togo") can pass the training and the check, they deserve the seat. I hate to say it, and I don't like it either. C'est la vie.
You don't always get what you want. Let's at least try to stay on the same page and try to protect what we need, in order to live with this. The hand writing has been on the wall for some time. We need to swallow hard and deal with it.
Flame on, if it helps.
By selectively not honoring DOH, (denying retreads their chance to retread again) we undermine the very basis our ENTIRE qol is based on. Do you really want to do that? Do you really want to be looking over YOUR shoulder when you're 59?
I know it's hard to swallow this crap sandwich we've all been dealt (and the smug attitudes of Foxhunter, and Non-member Bob make it that much harder). But if we start advocating selectively denying ANY individual's right to bid any seat he can hold, we end up eating our young, and shooting ourselves in the foot.
If FredEx wants to retrain them, they will find a way to allow them to bid back up front. If George (yes, even George, or whoever has maybe "3togo") can pass the training and the check, they deserve the seat. I hate to say it, and I don't like it either. C'est la vie.
You don't always get what you want. Let's at least try to stay on the same page and try to protect what we need, in order to live with this. The hand writing has been on the wall for some time. We need to swallow hard and deal with it.
Flame on, if it helps.
05-09-2007, 11:37 AM
#26
Trust but Verify!!
Joined APC: May 2006
Position: MD11 CRA
Posts: 684
"I may even have to see how much I am permitted to contribute to the ALPA PAC"
Not enough to offset the many who will stop their contributions after seeing ALPA national couldn't stop a bunch of old farts in the AARP or AARD (whatever they call themselves) from getting Age 60 changed.
Not enough to offset the many who will stop their contributions after seeing ALPA national couldn't stop a bunch of old farts in the AARP or AARD (whatever they call themselves) from getting Age 60 changed.
05-09-2007, 12:11 PM
#29
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Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: MD-11 F/O
Posts: 98
Wally's term ends June 30th, he has not been recalled.
05-09-2007, 12:29 PM
#30
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,237
You're asuming that EVERY pilot turning age 60 will continue to fly past 60. Not true,
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