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Old 12-22-2019, 03:12 PM
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Only Hangup I have is that some airlines keep certain pilots onboard despite poor performance.
Of course there are bad pilots of every color, sex, nationality and all that but a white male can never sue for discrimination, easier to let go.
I worked in the training department, seen it first hand.
And one of the biggest trouble with this is not everybody gets the word. Had guy pull an absolutely ham handed stunt at 100' on short final, tried to steer DC10 back to runway in real strong crosswind. I wasn't completely surprised as he was mucking things up as soon as we left 10000. After clearing customs I grabbed the FE to ask her a question or two about what had just happened but she interrupted me to say how she was surprised I let him shoot the approach. Had I not heard of Bob? Everybody knows about him. Told her guess I didn't get the word. FYI he was gone six months later .
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Old 12-22-2019, 03:40 PM
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. I suppose that would be a consequence of history, assuming what you say is true.
What I say is true..

Though, with only your word, I find it hard to believe the head of an airline training department is scared to unsat deficient pilots because they could possibly claim discrimination. I
Possible? Yes, very possible.
Happens now and then, see links to 3 lawsuits on this board posted yesterday.
I am guessing you are new to the flying business?

The very incident we’re talking about proves your theory incorrect.
Some folks claim the theory of evolution is incorrect

I got no bone in this fight, just presenting a few observations from 37 years of flying for a living.
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Possible? Yes, very possible.
Happens now and then, see links to 3 lawsuits on this board posted yesterday.
I am guessing you are new to the flying business?
Not new, but this is a big board. Could you direct me toward those links? And again, your theory is disproven and/or doesn't seem to apply in this particular incident. How can you tell me "airlines keep people around for fear of discrimination lawsuit" when this guy was failed and/or fired at least 3 times?
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Some folks claim the theory of evolution is incorrect. I got no bone in this fight, just presenting a few observations from 37 years of flying for a living.
37 years in the business, you should know better than to expect me to take your word without evidence.

EDIT: Disregard, found them. Atlas iah
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Old 12-22-2019, 03:53 PM
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Old 12-22-2019, 04:03 PM
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. 37 years in the business, you should know better than to expect me to take your word without evidence.
Don’t really care if you take my world for reality.
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Don’t really care if you take my world for reality.
I think you do, but say whatever makes you feel better. I am prepared to move on.
I wonder if anything will come of this. We'd be seeing more outrage if he wasn't flying a freighter, but he did fly pax for a couple years before this incident.
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Old 12-22-2019, 04:28 PM
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If you actually looked at the transcript, you would see they were speaking to each other continuously leading up to the incident.
And you would notice the captain deployed the spoilers, then transferred the controls. The FO never stowed them until they nearly stalled. Boeing's stall recovery procedure would have worked just fine, leaving the autopilot engaged, hitting toga and shoving the nose down at 40° isn't in the manual. IMO if the deployed spoilers would have been briefed during the transfer of controls from the captain to the FO the chance for a apparently weak pilot to screw up a stall recovery would have never occurred.

Atlas HR should actually look at the PRIA reports they get
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. I think you do, but say whatever makes you feel better. I am prepared to move on.
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And you would notice the captain deployed the spoilers, then transferred the controls. The FO never stowed them until they nearly stalled. Boeing's stall recovery procedure would have worked just fine, leaving the autopilot engaged, hitting toga and shoving the nose down at 40° isn't in the manual. IMO if the deployed spoilers would have been briefed during the transfer of controls from the captain to the FO the chance for a apparently weak pilot to screw up a stall recovery would have never occurred.

Atlas HR should actually look at the PRIA reports they get
PRIA didn't report half of his failures. I think the manner in which pilot records are kept and shared will be changed significantly.
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It's impossible to add to this discussion without being called a racist. In the most objective way possible, I'm just going to say that "peoples" protect their own.
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