Jetjok

Mark,

You're more of an idiot that I thought previously, if you actually think that I'm staying around because I can't afford to retire. After a career in computer management, a 34 year military career, and 17 years here at FedEx, it's not a problem. I'm still on my first wife and still in the same house we bought 20 years age, with no mortgage, so (maybe even you can figure this out) it's not about the money. I don't know about you, but I love to fly. Always have, and always will.

Jetjok

I was tipping those guys when you were in diapers.

dckozak

What is going on here is the pitfalls of "open discussion" within a "democratic" institution. While I don't agree with the reality of whats transpiring with the age 60 debate, I'm more appalled by the "burn the house down" conflagration that's seems ready to lynch the FDX MEC leadership over their leadership. Does anyone here, proposing to recall any ALPA officer, intend to take thier place?? Will they put in the hours required to run and lead this crew force on any issue other than stonewalling the age 60 issue?? Everyone is entitled to an opinion regarding any issue in our union and the leadership should be held accountable to its membership. The question is is our leadership failing to look out for the best interests of all it members, and if not why not??
I think if the junior varsity would spend less time ranting on this BB and questioning/debating the principles involved in the how and why of their decision making process, maybe they would better understand how thier interests are being served by the elected leadership on FDX ALPA.
This discussion about tearing down DW is juvenile and lacks a coherent plan or reason. There are a lot of issues affecting your career other than whether a bunch of geriatric pilots shorten their retirement while (minimally) impeding your career progression. If this fight is that important to you, take it to the people who are in a position to affect it, the FAA and your congressmen.

capt_zman

Is it wrong to stand up and voice your opinion of what you believe to be wrong? Here's what wrong with me, and I don't think I'm in the "vocal minority"

1. Dave Webb is going against the "overwhelming majority" of FDX pilots.
2. Dave Webb has done this before, which is unacceptable.
3. By proactively declaring that the union will fight for seniority sounds noble, but in reality is a joke.
3a. He based this opinion via a bogus invitation only poll, not a union vote, which is wrong.
3b. You're right, seniority is everything. But there are quite a few of us who had the union stand behind the company when they violated OUR seniority rights. Where was Dave Webb and his "doing the right thing" then?
4. I blame the ALPA leadership for NEVER training our new hires on the "read between the lines" of union rules. Everyone sits and bashes new hires for taking DP's, but when you learn of what a DP is 2 years later, well that's plain wrong. Another example of screw the junior guys.
5. It's a bad feeling when you feel like it's you vs. the company. It's even worse when you feel like it's you vs. the union.

I'm sure you don't care as you are on the other side of the fence with this issue. But, considering our union's behavior, there seems to be a growing track record of going against it's members on alot of different issues. Maybe soon, you'll be one of the affected ones and your arrogrant f_you attitude will change. Hmm, maybe Open Skies or cabotage. Only time will tell.

capt_zman

Junior varsity, screw you. Oh please tell me mighty Don, when do I get to tryout for the varsity team???

Arrogant prick.

dckozak

If the shoe fits

Gunter

Great Post, Captain.

Rolling your eyes at the "Democratic" nature of our union. Bet you don't roll your eyes when your pet issues are handled the way you like.

Look out for everyone's best interests? What? When you have an issue where the membership is divided that is impossible. You know that right?

Great look down. "If you would just look at it MY way you would realize the truth." Just great.

So an attack on DW is wrong. Juvenile? He's not king. He is elected by elected reps. When the voters are unhappy they get someone else in there. How is that juvenile? Oh yeah, its not what you like.

Your last statement takes the cake. It should read "find someone who CARES about your issue"

One thing I can tell you--Us junior guys don't want ALPA or DW to have any influence on the legislation as they will only lobby for retroactive changes. Congress, if left alone, will keep/make it prospective. Any smoke and mirrors aimed at the "juvenile" majority will not work with this snot nosed kid. I don't think ALPA will get a greater say or need a greater say by backtracking on our over 60 policy. I'd like to get a bumpber sticker that says "Keep ALPA out of age 60"


Your argument is arrogant assuming all differences of opinion are due to youth, inexperience and impetuous thoughts. I guess the MD CA group includes the thoughtful members of our union and everyone else needs an education to learn the right way to think. (Sarcasm)

Gooch121

If you want to reduce ALPA's impact in Washington DC, then DUMP THE PAC!

$$$$ speak louder than words

MaydayMark

Sure for DW's W2 I'll throw my hat in the ring ...


Vote for MaydayMark ... he'll fight for the under 60 crowd

And to make FoxHunter and JetJok Captain of the "blue room" service truck! Vote for MaydayMark!

RedeyeAV8r

I understand the emotion here. But don't let emotion steer your anger away from the real facts. ALPA wasn't lobbying for the change in age 60.
If ALPA does in fact change its position, they still won't be Lobbying for the change, they will be lobbying to hopefully have an input in the language.

They might be forced to lobby for any potentail IRS changes which might come afterwards. Lets face it, Retirement issues are the biggest threat here, not seniority. Realize it isn't just the very JR guys who take a hit, we all take the same percentage hit if the law changes. To this point we might disagree.

One thing I think we can ALL agree on is we do NOT want to see our retirement benefits reduced.

So go ahead and DUMP your PAC donoations, who else is looking out for you in Washington?

Realize we still have many negative things looming on the HILL.
Pension Reforms
Open Skies issues
License harmonization (which ought to scare the hell out of everyone that hase more than 10 years left.
And yes Age 65 implementation.

Dump the PAC,, yeah you'll show em