AerisArmis

Maybe Big Dave swapped retroactivity for those plum A-380 pay scales?

capt_zman

I'd like to see the recall take shape.

Also, the greatest thing that could happen out of this whole crap-sandwich:

Have the company pay all the 60 and over's passover pay, which keeps them in their SO seat so they a.m. hub turn for the rest of their career.

A year or two of that should convince them to retire.

Jetjok

So you really think that all of these very senior, over 60, plow-backs (like myself) will actually do night hub turns for a year or two before we're convinced to retire? You should maybe think that through a little more. We do night hub turns when it's convenient for us, otherwise, we fly what we want. I'm not bragging here, I'm just stating a fact of the system.

My question is this: if they keep me in the back seat, while paying me passover pay for the left seat of the Mad Dog, will I be asked to tip the limo driver? Also I'm wondering how our 727 captains will like being the second highest paid crewmember on their flight. Personally, when I'm flying with a f/o who is junior to me, I always offer to give him some money for the limo tips.

If the company doesn't allow the over-60 guys to return to our previous seats, but instead pays us passover pay, the average earnings of the FedEx pilot group (as a whole) will go through the roof. I wonder what implications that fact will have at the next contract negotiations?

So here's the deal: if the company doesn't allow me to go back to the left seat of a widebody (assuming the age is upped to 65), but instead pays me passover pay for that seat, I don't expect to hear one word about this phenomenon from any of you guys who are offering this method, as a reasonable alternative to actually following the seniority system.

CaptainMark

Retirement planning...maybe you should have thought that through a little more...

AerisArmis

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My question is this: if they keep me in the back seat, while paying me passover pay for the left seat of the Mad Dog, will I be asked to tip the limo driver?

Why start now?

Deuce130

Personally, I always thought the S/O should get paid more, so that'd be cool by me. Second, I don't think a 727 Captain would care if he was the second highest paid guy on the crew, as long as he was still getting Captain pay. Good for everyone on the crew, I'd say. I'm sure he'd rather be the second highest paid guy on the crew at narrowbody Capt pay than be forced back to the F/O seat.

P.S. Are there any F/Os that are senior to you?? And it's cool that you offer to pick up thier tips also.

42GO

Guys, I can’t believe the anger that has been flowing from the “junior” guys in this crew force.
Every one of you, one day has the opportunity that each of us had when we were hired; The potential to be a “senior” Captain.
Have you condemned the guys who didn’t retire at 55 in the past who were “taking your seat”?
You guys need to step back a few paces and listen to yourselves. This is a crew force that was hired under the seniority system, which flourishes under the seniority system and who lets you progress under the seniority system. Do you really want to shoot the system that gives you a “future”?
By the way, I don’t want to work a day past 60, but wouldn’t you all like the ability to determine your own future, without the government telling you what to do?

Daniel Larusso

You're leaving out a few facts there. In addition to the seniority system, we were all hired under age 60 something that has quite a bit to do with the potential to be a senior Captain one day. However now a few people who quietly and obediently benefited from said system for quite some time want to change the rules before it's their turn to go and it's the junior guys who need a lesson in what's fair? Please. 55 was never the legal age so that's a non sequitur b/c no one could reasonably expect people to retire then just like early medicals. As far as the determine your own future stuff that won't happen in a capital intensive government regulated industry-ie the business we've chosen. We can however help do a magnificent job of shooting ourselves in the foot and then spend the next 30 years complaining about our mistake(s). We are well on way to that. This issue won't be solved here, but it ain't gonna blow over either despite what the calamari club in Herndon thinks.

Huck

42go - if you're 40 you can't assume you'll be around at 60. It's that simple. There's a 25% chance you'll medical out, your company may go bankrupt, your company may move planes offshore, a war may start, whatever.

The best job in the nineties was UAL. PLENTY of guys I knew left good jobs for a chance of those widebody captain rates and that pension. After all - it was the largest airline in the world, right? What could go wrong?

This industry has about a 5 year event window. Beyond that anything goes. I don't want to hear about from 60 to 65. I want to hear about the next five years.

If you were 40 right now, in the right seat (but bidding NB captain at 100%), raising kids with a stay-at-home wife, you'd be as mad as the rest of us. Tell me I'm wrong.

Cargo Pirate

Wow. The vocal minority is in a rampage.
It seems advocation of an MEC recall, destruction of unity, corporate knowledge, and leadership is in order.
Then we'll run to DC and beat our heads against the NPRM/congressional wall.
I don't quite understand this strategy.