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05-07-2007, 05:35 AM
#161
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05-07-2007, 07:15 AM
#162
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If the company wants to avoid paying passover pay to the over 60 crowd, just have a big bid 2 weeks prior to the effective date of the change. Say for instance, with a two year training cycle. Even if they are allowed to bid back, they will have to wait for a vacancy bid. Also, if there is an excess bid soon, that will mean that every DC-10 S/O is over 60 and letting all of them come limping back all at once would pretty much ground that dwindling fleet. Something that ain't goonna happen in a short time.
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05-07-2007, 07:51 AM
#163
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05-07-2007, 07:57 AM
#164
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Really, so if you can hold widebody captain and you are any age, you can go to training without a bid and subvert the sacred seniority system? I'll bet even Foxhuter would agree that they will have to "bid what they want to fly" and then be trained in seniority order. Remember, if/when this thing changes, they are just part of the seniority list, no different, no special favors. If Big Wave Dave Webb wants to "request to return to the line" in an expedious manner, all he has to do is to start stacking his over 60 buddies on top of the line holders without a bid. Any recall effort would gain traction, including my support.
05-07-2007, 08:43 AM
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Our only hope is for legislation to keep the over 60 guys from getting back up front. We won't be able to keep them from CA if they are allowed to go back up front.
05-07-2007, 09:53 AM
#166
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Really, so if you can hold widebody captain and you are any age, you can go to training without a bid and subvert the sacred seniority system? I'll bet even Foxhuter would agree that they will have to "bid what they want to fly" and then be trained in seniority order. Remember, if/when this thing changes, they are just part of the seniority list, no different, no special favors. If Big Wave Dave Webb wants to "request to return to the line" in an expedious manner, all he has to do is to start stacking his over 60 buddies on top of the line holders without a bid. Any recall effort would gain traction, including my support.
Will be interesting to watch...
Don't think it will be Dave's call on how they are trained.
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05-07-2007, 10:29 AM
#167
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05-07-2007, 10:42 AM
#168
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Really, so if you can hold widebody captain and you are any age, you can go to training without a bid and subvert the sacred seniority system? I'll bet even Foxhuter would agree that they will have to "bid what they want to fly" and then be trained in seniority order. Remember, if/when this thing changes, they are just part of the seniority list, no different, no special favors. If Big Wave Dave Webb wants to "request to return to the line" in an expedious manner, all he has to do is to start stacking his over 60 buddies on top of the line holders without a bid. Any recall effort would gain traction, including my support.
When a managment pilot, LCA, Flex, LOA, MLOA, regained medical individual return they can bump into any position their sysem seniority can hold. While it is not really addressed in the contract it has been an accepted past practice. There is also the possibility that the change will happen before this next bid. It looks like perfect timing for the company since an excess on the DC10 is coming in the near future they can fill a large number of Captain slots with the excess S/Os that want to return to the Captain seat. The company has one training cycle for each Captain/FO position filled in this manner verse the the multi training cycles generated by the domino effect of filling one Captain slot in more normal times. There is also nothing that I see that says that the company cannot award the Captain slot to any over age 60 S/O until the rule changes. The company just cannot use them in revenue service until the change is in effect. All training up to IOE could be done prior to the change.
In any case I see management sitting back and watching FDX ALPA falling apart from within with a certain sense of amusement.
05-07-2007, 10:54 AM
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Last edited by FXDX; 05-07-2007 at 10:55 AM. Reason: Nevermind
05-07-2007, 10:58 AM
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Except that good chunk of DC10 SOs are already 65 or older.
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