ups FAAR 1.1 pic
04-15-2007, 07:35 PM
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ups FAAR 1.1 pic
question for someone at ups:
1000hours PIC requirement as per FAAR 1.1. the second definition of that ( posted on the ups site ) is :"the person designated as PIC before or during the flight". does that mean the time as an IRO can be counted as PIC for UPS? ( the FAA allows it to be logged as such, but the other carriers don't consider it since the IRO does not sign for the plane).
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1000hours PIC requirement as per FAAR 1.1. the second definition of that ( posted on the ups site ) is :"the person designated as PIC before or during the flight". does that mean the time as an IRO can be counted as PIC for UPS? ( the FAA allows it to be logged as such, but the other carriers don't consider it since the IRO does not sign for the plane).
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04-15-2007, 07:43 PM
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The take I have on it is the PIC is the one who signs for the aircraft. So, if you're Herbie Hancock isn't at the bottom of the release it won't be counted. I would definitely go conservative rather than show up and tube the interview trying to get in by counting it. Buz will find it during your log check!
04-15-2007, 07:50 PM
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that was my take on pic too, if you sign it , you log it, and the one is always explained in all applications. that's why I was suprised to see that on the ups site is not specified and it only says Faar 1.1 and then list the 3 reasons someone can log pic under faar 1.1, and one of them is "pic before or during the flight" hence the iro question.
04-15-2007, 11:38 PM
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04-16-2007, 06:31 AM
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Relief pilot time
Does anyone on 3 man crews know if UPS allows you to log the entire flight you were in command? I signed for the aircraft but had to log "other" time since a portion of the flight I was in the back resting and not in the seat? In the AF we don't have "relief pilots", but I think it is possible they are referring to our "other" time. Anyone?
04-16-2007, 07:23 AM
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Does anyone on 3 man crews know if UPS allows you to log the entire flight you were in command? I signed for the aircraft but had to log "other" time since a portion of the flight I was in the back resting and not in the seat? In the AF we don't have "relief pilots", but I think it is possible they are referring to our "other" time. Anyone?
Pilot in command is just that, Pilot in command!
You signed for and are responsible for the Jet......No?
By 3 man aircraft do you mean 2 Pilots and 1 FE? or do you mean 2 Pilots with 1 relief (RFO).
As PIC you are still PIC when you are in back taking a break, you are just not logging Stick time.
04-16-2007, 08:02 AM
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question for someone at ups:
1000hours PIC requirement as per FAAR 1.1. the second definition of that ( posted on the ups site ) is :"the person designated as PIC before or during the flight". does that mean the time as an IRO can be counted as PIC for UPS? ( the FAA allows it to be logged as such, but the other carriers don't consider it since the IRO does not sign for the plane).
thanks.
1000hours PIC requirement as per FAAR 1.1. the second definition of that ( posted on the ups site ) is :"the person designated as PIC before or during the flight". does that mean the time as an IRO can be counted as PIC for UPS? ( the FAA allows it to be logged as such, but the other carriers don't consider it since the IRO does not sign for the plane).
thanks.
I don't interpret the IRO as the person designated as PIC unless the PIC who signed for the flight somehow becomes unable to perform his/her duties as the PIC and the IRO is now the designated PIC.
My rule of thumb is this: if I were able to log PIC time, I would be getting paid PIC wages.
04-16-2007, 11:47 AM
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In the C-17 I will fly in command with 3 total pilots. I would be in command, but during a portion of the flight I could be in the bunk, still technically in command of the flight. On the actual UPS application for the FO position it specifically stated that "any relief pilot time does not count toward PIC" I am not familiar with the term "relief pilot" but I think it is possible that they are referring to the same situation that I am often in as and aircraft commander with a 3 pilot crew. In the air force we divide this time up evenly between the pilots - primary secondary and other, although I still am in command of the flight the entire time. Any help would be much appreciated.
04-16-2007, 11:50 AM
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In the C-17 I will fly in command with 3 total pilots. I would be in command, but during a portion of the flight I could be in the bunk, still technically in command of the flight. On the actual UPS application for the FO position it specifically stated that "any relief pilot time does not count toward PIC" I am not familiar with the term "relief pilot" but I think it is possible that they are referring to the same situation that I am often in as and aircraft commander with a 3 pilot crew. In the air force we divide this time up evenly between the pilots - primary secondary and other, although I still am in command of the flight the entire time. Any help would be much appreciated.
Relief time means working as the IRO. I.E. cruise CA time is not countable towards the 1000 PIC time.
04-16-2007, 11:57 AM
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IRO - is that someone who is not signing for the aircraft but
"in charge" while the captain is resting?
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