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Old 04-16-2007, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by firedup
so for those of us with no military time and no ocean crossing time, am I understanding that PIC time is ONLY the time that you are scheduled as PIC, and not flying the airplane time as stated in the FAR??
Scheduled? I don't think the schedule has anything to do with PIC. I think I understand the deal now pretty well. "relief pilot" time is referring to FO's logging PIC time while the Captain is resting. This time is not allowed toward PIC. PIC time is just as stated in the FAR's, all the time you signed for the aircraft and were in command/responsible for the flight.
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Scheduled? I don't think the schedule has anything to do with PIC. I think I understand the deal now pretty well. "relief pilot" time is referring to FO's logging PIC time while the Captain is resting. This time is not allowed toward PIC. PIC time is just as stated in the FAR's, all the time you signed for the aircraft and were in command/responsible for the flight.
I am talking about part 91 legs when the captain and FO swap legs / seats and the FO is at the controls. Is that considered PIC time for the FO? he is the sole manipulator of the controls...(I somehow dont think so..)
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I am talking about part 91 legs when the captain and FO swap legs / seats and the FO is at the controls. Is that considered PIC time for the FO? he is the sole manipulator of the controls...(I somehow dont think so..)
Per the FAA it can be...UPS no.
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Old 04-16-2007, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Slice
Per the FAA it can be...UPS no.
I agree - FAA yes, UPS no. Sole manipulator means nothing to UPS.
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Old 04-17-2007, 06:31 AM
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Back to SWA real quick, did anyone use their "other" time since being certed as an AC toward their PIC hours. I did, so just want to hear what others have done. I figured since I signed for the aircraft there have been times I did not get out of the seat but logged "other" time due to 3 man crew. I guess I would have to justify it to them, huh? If I cant count it, there goes 350 hours and no 1300 PIC hours. Thanks all.
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Why not call or email the PD at SWA? The info is available on here somewhere and they're pretty good about responding.
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Originally Posted by Sawdog
Back to SWA real quick, did anyone use their "other" time since being certed as an AC toward their PIC hours. I did, so just want to hear what others have done. I figured since I signed for the aircraft there have been times I did not get out of the seat but logged "other" time due to 3 man crew. I guess I would have to justify it to them, huh? If I cant count it, there goes 350 hours and no 1300 PIC hours. Thanks all.
I didn't. The website tells you not to. Their PD folks tell you not to. At the job fair, the pilots said not to. I lost over 350 hours also, but if that's the way SWA wants it, I'd better play along. With minusing the other time after AC upgrade, I squeaked by with 1340 PIC.

With that said though, I have a friend who didn't have enough PIC time to meet the min 1300 without the other time. He added it in, and then explained it at the interview, even though it explicitly says not to include it on the website. Guess what, he was hired!

I would still at least call the SWA PD first and tell them your situation and your take on being A coded. That way, at the interview, you could say that you asked and they said you could. Or, if you don't want to know the answer, don't ask the question.

If you're close to 1300 without other time, I would fly my A** off and get there. That's what I did. You hate to be interrogated about something at the interview. You never know who you'll get and they might think you're trying to pull a fast one on them.
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