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Old 04-13-2007, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
For the record, I take naps, have thinning (not nappie) hair, and also couldn't get the survey to work. The below is from the ALPA web site from the Members only Home Page:

Supported Browsers


Windows
Microsoft IE 5.0+
Netscape 6.0+


Mac
Safari 1.2
Microsoft IE 5.2.x
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So it seems that anything IE 5.0 and better should work...didn't work for me!
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Old 04-13-2007, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
Did you get the same thoughtful response I got?


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Yep, just as thoughtful with me!
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Old 04-13-2007, 05:32 AM
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Thumbs down Poll is corrupt!

Two items:
1. Did you turn off your pop up blockers, like the note says?

2. Since this poll uses a common password this poll is useless. One person can put in a whole bunch of alpa numbers and use the common password to skew the results. Devious you call me?, but don't think it won't happen by a fanatic for one side or the other. The poll needs to be behind your individual password to be legit.
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Old 04-13-2007, 05:35 AM
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Did all of the geek stuff, reset browser, cycled power, etc.... still got error message.
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Old 04-13-2007, 05:38 AM
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Posted by Bitme: "Two items:
1. Did you turn off your pop up blockers, like the note says?

2. Since this poll uses a common password this poll is useless. One person can put in a whole bunch of alpa numbers and use the common password to skew the results. Devious you call me?, but don't think it won't happen by a fanatic for one side or the other. The poll needs to be behind your individual password to be legit."


That's an interesting thought. It did say, and you appear to be encouraged to go in and enter as much opinion as you see fit, as often as you'd like, but that at the end date of the survey, only your last set of comments will be looked at. This, they say, will be done by ALPA member number. So I guess you're right, in that someone could enter lots of guys' member numbers and their own comments. Personally, I have many better things to do than to go and spend upwards of an hour, many times, just to tell ALPA National what they already know.
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Old 04-13-2007, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Bitme
Two items:
1. Did you turn off your pop up blockers, like the note says?

2. Since this poll uses a common password this poll is useless. One person can put in a whole bunch of alpa numbers and use the common password to skew the results. Devious you call me?, but don't think it won't happen by a fanatic for one side or the other. The poll needs to be behind your individual password to be legit.

I can't find a note about pop up blockers (where is this note?), but I have never had a problem logging into the ballpoint site in the past. I turned them off and still no go!
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Old 04-13-2007, 06:26 AM
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Yeah, but all the retired guys sitting around with nothing to do except push their agenda could certainly sit around and put in numerous responses in order to skew the results.

Very good point Bit.
 
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Originally Posted by Huck
Until they get the answer they want.....
Exactly right Huckster. This was brought up in the last LEC meeting in ANC. Why, with countless data reagrding this topic, do they continue to poll and him and haw? Because they haven't got the answer they want.
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Old 04-13-2007, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by md11phlyer
Exactly right Huckster. This was brought up in the last LEC meeting in ANC. Why, with countless data reagrding this topic, do they continue to poll and him and haw? Because they haven't got the answer they want.
Sorry I don't buy into your conspiracy theory.

What "countless data" are you referring to? That's been the problem, there is no difinative safety data that proves the over 60 crowd are less safe. So, there goes your safety argument, which, by the way is your strongest argument available to not change the age.

In a way you are correct about a different answer, but I believe it is predicated on the fact that the last survey was pre bankruptcy for many airlines. Pilot's reference point has obviously changed and even though I'm not in favor of changing the age, the leadership has to have the latest wishes of their membership to be able to have any credibility.
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Old 04-13-2007, 08:17 AM
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Update: Sent an email to my block rep, LEC, MEC, et al. Got a reply from Courtney to try again. They got it fixed! I logged in as BL and voted to keep Age 60. Oh, wait BL isn't an ALPA member!
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