ALPA Poll
04-16-2007, 02:52 PM
#102
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: FDX A300 CPT
Posts: 967
How about hired to the line at 51,one wife (39 years) 35 year old well educated son who was struck with a cripling bone desese.Works as hard as his body will allow,but still requires some assistance. His medical insurance will be maxed out this year, and someone will have to educate his son's.
Yes I knew the rules going in,and they were that I could be a SO until they crush the last Boing,and that is what intend to do. I am not the only one in this position.
You guy's should stop whining about ME,ME,ME,and get down on your knees and thank God for your job,and family.
Yes I knew the rules going in,and they were that I could be a SO until they crush the last Boing,and that is what intend to do. I am not the only one in this position.
You guy's should stop whining about ME,ME,ME,and get down on your knees and thank God for your job,and family.
04-16-2007, 03:00 PM
#103
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,838
Lots of us (myself included) have sad family stories. Despite my own sad story, with good financial planning, I plan to retire at 60. I will not have 25 years with the company. I DO NOT WANT TO FLY PAST THAT AGE! If you REALLY need the money, I recommend you retire and get a real job. If you are smart enough to get this job, then you have skills an employer would want. You could take home a bunch more pay at the end of the month ...
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Regards, Mark
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Regards, MarkWhat if your A-Plan was wiped out tomorrow? ( Give Fred and the MGT boys a few more years to figure out how to do it)
Would you still want or really be able retire at 60 and take your $27,000 annual PBGC pension (assuming that it will still be there when you are 60) or would you just maybe want to make your 6 figure income for a couple more years?
What if you needed to go on LT disability for the next 4 years. When you come back that was 4 years your B-plan saw nothing..Do you already have your High 5?..........would that have any effect..................
What if one of your trusty FO's bends your jet and you find yourself unemployed? and you need to start over and be Junior to Gman at Jet Blue (God forbid)
There are alot of variables out there Mark.........Don't try to lump everyone in the same Pile. The Actual # of Pilots who have a full Pension coming (not one from the PBGC) and 25 years or more with the " same" company that want to continue working past 60 is pretty small by comparison.
04-16-2007, 03:02 PM
#104
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
04-16-2007, 03:28 PM
#105
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: FDX A300 CPT
Posts: 967
Lets see sad story...........Made WB capt at early Age. Happens to to be lucky enough...........KNOCK on WOOD, Knock on wood , Knock on wood...................to be working at Fedex where things are pretty stable and the future is positive.............
What if your A-Plan was wiped out tomorrow? ( Give Fred and the MGT boys a few more years to figure out how to do it)
Would you still want or really be able retire at 60 and take your $27,000 annual PBGC pension (assuming that it will still be there when you are 60) or would you just maybe want to make your 6 figure income for a couple more years?
What if you needed to go on LT disability for the next 4 years. When you come back that was 4 years your B-plan saw nothing..Do you already have your High 5?..........would that have any effect..................
What if one of your trusty FO's bends your jet and you find yourself unemployed? and you need to start over and be Junior to Gman at Jet Blue (God forbid)
There are alot of variables out there Mark.........Don't try to lump everyone in the same Pile. The Actual # of Pilots who have a full Pension coming (not one from the PBGC) and 25 years or more with the " same" company that want to continue working past 60 is pretty small by comparison.
What if your A-Plan was wiped out tomorrow? ( Give Fred and the MGT boys a few more years to figure out how to do it)
Would you still want or really be able retire at 60 and take your $27,000 annual PBGC pension (assuming that it will still be there when you are 60) or would you just maybe want to make your 6 figure income for a couple more years?
What if you needed to go on LT disability for the next 4 years. When you come back that was 4 years your B-plan saw nothing..Do you already have your High 5?..........would that have any effect..................
What if one of your trusty FO's bends your jet and you find yourself unemployed? and you need to start over and be Junior to Gman at Jet Blue (God forbid)
There are alot of variables out there Mark.........Don't try to lump everyone in the same Pile. The Actual # of Pilots who have a full Pension coming (not one from the PBGC) and 25 years or more with the " same" company that want to continue working past 60 is pretty small by comparison.
04-16-2007, 03:35 PM
#107
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: FDX A300 CPT
Posts: 967
first of all u didn't ask me the question..i think it was mayday...and that was my interjected answer...welcome to avaition..sh*t happens..you can "what if" all night...i think the thousands of retired airline pilots in the past all had "what ifs"...you deal with it...like everything else in life...
Last edited by CaptainMark; 04-16-2007 at 03:45 PM.
04-16-2007, 03:48 PM
#108
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Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: MD-11 Captain
Posts: 4,304
Redeye says ... "Lets see sad story...........Made WB capt at early Age. Happens to to be lucky enough..........to be working at Fedex where things are pretty stable and the future is positive.........
Reality ... Graduated from college and worked as an engineer for 2 years before joing the military (so joined military later than the average guy). After 6 years active duty, hired by now bankrupt and shutdown legacy carrier. Spent 5 years there ... no airlines hiring then so spent the next 3 years in a real job working as an engineer again. Hired at FedEx 16 years after college. Upgraded to WB Capt at age 49 (I wouldn't call that "at early age"? I'm not sure why you do?)
What if your A-Plan was wiped out tomorrow? ( Give Fred and the MGT boys a few more years to figure out how to do it)
Reality ... been there done that, see above answer
What if you needed to go on LT disability for the next 4 years. When you come back that was 4 years your B-plan saw nothing..Do you already have your High 5?..........would that have any effect..................
Reality ... it's called LTD insurance and ALPA loss of license insurance, It's part of that "sound financial planning" I've been yapping about. Instead of an airplane, boat, lake house, 3rd wife ...
There are alot of variables out there Mark.........Don't try to lump everyone in the same Pile. The Actual # of Pilots who have a full Pension coming (not one from the PBGC) and 25 years or more with the " same" company that want to continue working past 60 is pretty small by comparison.
Reality ... I've tried to be sympathetic to the guys that are in a bad situation through no fault of their own. See my prior posts. Like I've said, I've been there. I was lucky enough to be able to regroup and start a career at FedEx while I was still young enough to get a decent (not maximum) retirement. My heartburn is with the over 60 guys that have at least 25 years at FedEx and don't have enough common sense or self worth (or any hobbies) to realize there is life after FedEx. Those guys stick around for selfish reasons ONLY. It's not about me, me, me ... it's all about them, them , them
Mark
Reality ... Graduated from college and worked as an engineer for 2 years before joing the military (so joined military later than the average guy). After 6 years active duty, hired by now bankrupt and shutdown legacy carrier. Spent 5 years there ... no airlines hiring then so spent the next 3 years in a real job working as an engineer again. Hired at FedEx 16 years after college. Upgraded to WB Capt at age 49 (I wouldn't call that "at early age"? I'm not sure why you do?)
What if your A-Plan was wiped out tomorrow? ( Give Fred and the MGT boys a few more years to figure out how to do it)
Reality ... been there done that, see above answer
What if you needed to go on LT disability for the next 4 years. When you come back that was 4 years your B-plan saw nothing..Do you already have your High 5?..........would that have any effect..................
Reality ... it's called LTD insurance and ALPA loss of license insurance, It's part of that "sound financial planning" I've been yapping about. Instead of an airplane, boat, lake house, 3rd wife ...
There are alot of variables out there Mark.........Don't try to lump everyone in the same Pile. The Actual # of Pilots who have a full Pension coming (not one from the PBGC) and 25 years or more with the " same" company that want to continue working past 60 is pretty small by comparison.
Reality ... I've tried to be sympathetic to the guys that are in a bad situation through no fault of their own. See my prior posts. Like I've said, I've been there. I was lucky enough to be able to regroup and start a career at FedEx while I was still young enough to get a decent (not maximum) retirement. My heartburn is with the over 60 guys that have at least 25 years at FedEx and don't have enough common sense or self worth (or any hobbies) to realize there is life after FedEx. Those guys stick around for selfish reasons ONLY. It's not about me, me, me ... it's all about them, them , them
Mark
Last edited by MaydayMark; 04-16-2007 at 04:00 PM.
04-16-2007, 03:52 PM
#109
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: Directly behind the combiner
Posts: 4,948
Sorry for the thread drift, but I have some news about the ALPA Poll:
2. Since this poll uses a common password this poll is useless. One person can put in a whole bunch of alpa numbers and use the common password to skew the results. Devious you call me?, but don't think it won't happen by a fanatic for one side or the other. The poll needs to be behind your individual password to be legit.
That's an interesting thought. It did say, and you appear to be encouraged to go in and enter as much opinion as you see fit, as often as you'd like, but that at the end date of the survey, only your last set of comments will be looked at. This, they say, will be done by ALPA member number. So I guess you're right, in that someone could enter lots of guys' member numbers and their own comments. Personally, I have many better things to do than to go and spend upwards of an hour, many times, just to tell ALPA National what they already know.
Well, it looks like they've responded to similar criticism and made it a little tougher to game the system.
This just in (ALPA FastRead):
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2. Since this poll uses a common password this poll is useless. One person can put in a whole bunch of alpa numbers and use the common password to skew the results. Devious you call me?, but don't think it won't happen by a fanatic for one side or the other. The poll needs to be behind your individual password to be legit.
That's an interesting thought. It did say, and you appear to be encouraged to go in and enter as much opinion as you see fit, as often as you'd like, but that at the end date of the survey, only your last set of comments will be looked at. This, they say, will be done by ALPA member number. So I guess you're right, in that someone could enter lots of guys' member numbers and their own comments. Personally, I have many better things to do than to go and spend upwards of an hour, many times, just to tell ALPA National what they already know.
Well, it looks like they've responded to similar criticism and made it a little tougher to game the system.
This just in (ALPA FastRead):
April 16, 2007
ALPA is providing an even more secure Internet environment for its web survey on the mandatory pilot retirement age. Eligible members are now required to submit both their ALPA member number and their employee number before gaining access to the survey. Use your ALPA member number to log in and your 6-digit employee number as your password.
The enhanced security feature will apply only to future survey participants beginning today, Monday, April 16. All poll results of those members who have already taken the ALPA survey but were not required to submit both identity numbers will remain valid. ALPA will use the results of a telephone poll employing the web poll demographics to ensure that the web survey results are accurate.
It is essential that every eligible ALPA pilot take the survey and tell the ALPA Age 60 Blue Ribbon Panel their views on the FAA Age 60 pilot retirement regulation. The web-based survey began earlier this month and will be open until May 10. Please take time to complete the survey today.
Questions regarding the survey may be emailed to [email protected].
Click here to access the survey.
The enhanced security feature will apply only to future survey participants beginning today, Monday, April 16. All poll results of those members who have already taken the ALPA survey but were not required to submit both identity numbers will remain valid. ALPA will use the results of a telephone poll employing the web poll demographics to ensure that the web survey results are accurate.
It is essential that every eligible ALPA pilot take the survey and tell the ALPA Age 60 Blue Ribbon Panel their views on the FAA Age 60 pilot retirement regulation. The web-based survey began earlier this month and will be open until May 10. Please take time to complete the survey today.
Questions regarding the survey may be emailed to [email protected].
Click here to access the survey.
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04-16-2007, 03:55 PM
#110
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: FDX A300 CPT
Posts: 967
[ My heartburn is with the over 60 guys that have at least 25 years at FedEx and don't have enough common sense or self worth (or any hobbies) to realize there is life after FedEx. Those guys stick around for selfish reasons ONLY. It's not about me, me, me ... it's all about them, them , them[/COLOR]
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