Info on Atlas
09-28-2005, 08:48 AM
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they have a horrible contract,however since polar might get shut down because we are on strike,upgrade times can be faster. also keep in mind that the junior guys are being send to the U.K.
IF YOU ALREADY HAVE 1000 PIC TURBINE on part 121 , is good heavy experience,but not a career move. if you are still building pic tme, continue. outfits like that are always around(kalitta, southern,arrow.......) and are always hiring.
IF YOU ALREADY HAVE 1000 PIC TURBINE on part 121 , is good heavy experience,but not a career move. if you are still building pic tme, continue. outfits like that are always around(kalitta, southern,arrow.......) and are always hiring.
09-28-2005, 11:14 AM
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sure, for example ,
they are required to work 17 days a month, and are gateway base ( not home based) , what this means is that when the company buys them a ticket from their gateway to where the airplane is, the price of the ticket gets input as income, and ou get tax on it . also your 17 days off can be extended to 21 and the extended pay is pitifull. futhermore, if you happen to have a long layover anywhere but your home ( as it happens a lot on ACMI flying with customers changing the sched all the time) the company can call those layover days off days , and you will get taxed on the hotel and if you want to go home you will be taxed on your travel. also, lets say you get lucky and you get a line where you work only 13 days, well, when you are home on your days off, the company can call you and say " hey buddy, you owe us 4 days of work , get to work or you are fired, and yes we wil taxed your travel
travel taxation is so bad that you can end up with negative paychecks( as some guys have), and the comany has the right to send you home and call you back out again as many times as they want to to complete your 17 days in one month. but it gets worse those travel days to and from your gateway to get to work are flown on your days off without extended duty pay.there also is virtually no scope protection, and if you calin sick a couple days before your trip when on days off) they take those sick days you where off .
there are a lot of other horrible things in the contract, maybe some atlas guy who reads this can send you a link t their contrac on the net and you can see for yourself.
again , if you have over 1,000 of 121 jet pic and wnt some heavy jet time, go for it, but think of it as a stepping stone to ups , fedex or even frontier or jet blue.
hope this helps
they are required to work 17 days a month, and are gateway base ( not home based) , what this means is that when the company buys them a ticket from their gateway to where the airplane is, the price of the ticket gets input as income, and ou get tax on it . also your 17 days off can be extended to 21 and the extended pay is pitifull. futhermore, if you happen to have a long layover anywhere but your home ( as it happens a lot on ACMI flying with customers changing the sched all the time) the company can call those layover days off days , and you will get taxed on the hotel and if you want to go home you will be taxed on your travel. also, lets say you get lucky and you get a line where you work only 13 days, well, when you are home on your days off, the company can call you and say " hey buddy, you owe us 4 days of work , get to work or you are fired, and yes we wil taxed your travel
travel taxation is so bad that you can end up with negative paychecks( as some guys have), and the comany has the right to send you home and call you back out again as many times as they want to to complete your 17 days in one month. but it gets worse those travel days to and from your gateway to get to work are flown on your days off without extended duty pay.there also is virtually no scope protection, and if you calin sick a couple days before your trip when on days off) they take those sick days you where off .
there are a lot of other horrible things in the contract, maybe some atlas guy who reads this can send you a link t their contrac on the net and you can see for yourself.
again , if you have over 1,000 of 121 jet pic and wnt some heavy jet time, go for it, but think of it as a stepping stone to ups , fedex or even frontier or jet blue.
hope this helps
09-28-2005, 03:17 PM
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Good info here. I spent a year with Kalitta F/O on the whale. Better contract but not by much. The company is aware of the contract at Atlas and are trying force a bad deal down the throat of the mostly newbie work force there. Great experience but a terrible lifestyle. At Kallita we had poor work rules no pay protection and the company basicly ignored the contract unless they could minipulate to there favor. Which they did often. There crewscheduling manager just makes up new rules (policies as he explaines it) as he goes. Buy far the worst treatment in the industry.
09-28-2005, 08:01 PM
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A little bit of an overshoot by Greedy.
Gateway travel is taxed only when you go to/from your Gateway to/from your base. If your pattern starts/ends elsewhere, no tax. The tax issue is big and is on top of the list for a fix in the next contract. Last year, my taxable totaled $3500, and I'm a good distance from my base. The JFK guys rarely start patterns at JFK, so very little taxables. MIA, another story.
The long layover statment is bogus. If your on layover anywhere in the system, it is work days. If you get a pair of trips with less than two days off between, at your base, then the company will pay for your hotel at your base, but will not buy you a round trip ticket home. The hotel bill will be taxable. Those two days will still be off days. That may be the basis for Greedy's statment. Since the contract, it has happened to me once.
There is ONE case where a guy was taxed more than he made. He lived down south and was based in ANC. I believe he made three round trips home that month.
The company holds you to the 17 days. You get your award with flying, and any holes in the award are filled with base standby and resident standby. If you are on resident standby, travel to and from base is work days. As for days beyond the 17, known as X days, they can use up to four a month. I worked five X days last year.
Don't know anything about the sick day issue he's talking about. I have never run across it, and yes, I've used sick days.
In my six years here, I average away from home 15.3 days a month. That's from my front door and back. Always been paid on time.
The pay is OK, and the people are great. The planes are in good shape. Work rules are lacking.
Here is a link to the contract. http://www.atlasair.com/holdings/cb/default.asp
Gateway travel is taxed only when you go to/from your Gateway to/from your base. If your pattern starts/ends elsewhere, no tax. The tax issue is big and is on top of the list for a fix in the next contract. Last year, my taxable totaled $3500, and I'm a good distance from my base. The JFK guys rarely start patterns at JFK, so very little taxables. MIA, another story.
The long layover statment is bogus. If your on layover anywhere in the system, it is work days. If you get a pair of trips with less than two days off between, at your base, then the company will pay for your hotel at your base, but will not buy you a round trip ticket home. The hotel bill will be taxable. Those two days will still be off days. That may be the basis for Greedy's statment. Since the contract, it has happened to me once.
There is ONE case where a guy was taxed more than he made. He lived down south and was based in ANC. I believe he made three round trips home that month.
The company holds you to the 17 days. You get your award with flying, and any holes in the award are filled with base standby and resident standby. If you are on resident standby, travel to and from base is work days. As for days beyond the 17, known as X days, they can use up to four a month. I worked five X days last year.
Don't know anything about the sick day issue he's talking about. I have never run across it, and yes, I've used sick days.
In my six years here, I average away from home 15.3 days a month. That's from my front door and back. Always been paid on time.
The pay is OK, and the people are great. The planes are in good shape. Work rules are lacking.
Here is a link to the contract. http://www.atlasair.com/holdings/cb/default.asp
Last edited by Whaledriver; 09-28-2005 at 08:07 PM. Reason: Add link
09-29-2005, 10:16 AM
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If you've been following any of the other boards, you are aware of a very turbulent time at Atlas and Polar. With Polar on strike, now for almost two weeks, its starting to get uglier. Check out this thread on PPRUNE.
http://pprune.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=185329
If you can fly the sim in a proficient manner (ie, don't crash), and can support your logged flying time (ie talk about some of your experiences), your chances are good. The interview is just general conversation and questions, non- technical. If you were called for an interview, they like what they see.
If you have some glass, you'll end up with a -400 type. I believe the sim eval is in the classic sim. Not real tough, T/O, a departure, a vector or two, and then a clearance to holding. Then vectors to an ILS to a landing. Another T/O and vectors to a VOR/DME approach and landing. They are looking for a foundation to build on. I have heard of some real horror stories. Guys that claim heavy time but can't even keep the shinny side up, straight and level.
If they are happy, you could get a class offer right there. I had friend interview on Thursday and get a job offer to start on the next Monday.
I hate to recommend another board, but asking on PPRUNE may get a better and more recent experience to work with. This is a new board with a limited viewership.
http://pprune.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=185329
If you can fly the sim in a proficient manner (ie, don't crash), and can support your logged flying time (ie talk about some of your experiences), your chances are good. The interview is just general conversation and questions, non- technical. If you were called for an interview, they like what they see.
If you have some glass, you'll end up with a -400 type. I believe the sim eval is in the classic sim. Not real tough, T/O, a departure, a vector or two, and then a clearance to holding. Then vectors to an ILS to a landing. Another T/O and vectors to a VOR/DME approach and landing. They are looking for a foundation to build on. I have heard of some real horror stories. Guys that claim heavy time but can't even keep the shinny side up, straight and level.
If they are happy, you could get a class offer right there. I had friend interview on Thursday and get a job offer to start on the next Monday.
I hate to recommend another board, but asking on PPRUNE may get a better and more recent experience to work with. This is a new board with a limited viewership.
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