Western Global pilots help please
11-28-2018, 03:12 AM
#81
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2017
Position: CA/FO/IRO
Posts: 75
At my ACMI, I like bidding back to back lines. Bad side 36 days in a row, but I look forward to a minimum of 24 days in a row OFF and with creative bidding or know flying lines I can possibly make it 35 days OFF. Include vacation in that I have achieved 75 days OFF in a row. You can keep those 3 days ON 4 days OFF rotations fighting for non rev seats going to work on a few of those off days.
11-28-2018, 05:09 AM
#82
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: Semi-Retired...
Posts: 3,229
At my ACMI, I like bidding back to back lines. Bad side 36 days in a row, but I look forward to a minimum of 24 days in a row OFF and with creative bidding or know flying lines I can possibly make it 35 days OFF. Include vacation in that I have achieved 75 days OFF in a row. You can keep those 3 days ON 4 days OFF rotations fighting for non rev seats going to work on a few of those off days.
11-28-2018, 05:58 AM
#83
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Posts: 279
Well, yeah, but then you get paid half as much and don’t have a retirement. So maybe it’s a win win lose lose? Someone mentioned above taking this personally. Guys who were born at the wrong time and through no fault of their own got stuck at a regional for life are still better off than 99.99% of humanity, at least in material terms. It is not an assault on your character or Success to point out that FedEx is concretely a better employer for 99.99% of pilots than, say, ATI.
11-28-2018, 06:18 AM
#84
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Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 7
Well, yeah, but then you get paid half as much and don’t have a retirement. So maybe it’s a win win lose lose? Someone mentioned above taking this personally. Guys who were born at the wrong time and through no fault of their own got stuck at a regional for life are still better off than 99.99% of humanity, at least in material terms. It is not an assault on your character or Success to point out that FedEx is concretely a better employer for 99.99% of pilots than, say, ATI.
11-28-2018, 06:32 AM
#85
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Joined APC: Jun 2012
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I do and it is. Try not to take it so personally. I actually enjoy my job, and don’t think ACMI is the slave ship that it’s made out to be. But to say that any ACMI is the “best kept secret” or offers ANY advantage in QOL, compensation, retirement, vacation, scheduling, insurance, or travel benefits over the big 3 or UPS + FedEx is insane. Guys really think that because Atlas or Connie or WG buys you a $600 ticket to/from work every month that it is a better job than a non ACMI? You really think you can’t get 13 days off in a row anywhere but an ACMI carrier?
I said nothing about slave ship, nor have I ever said "best kept secret."
Many of those doing ACMI aren't going to wind up hiring on to UPS, et al. Not everyone does, not everyone gets to, not every can, not everyone is qualified. To insinuate that those working for ACMI, or the employers themselves are somehow "bottom feeders," is pure, unadulterated horse ****, arrogant hubris.
You quoted me and asked if I really think one can't get 13 days off anywhere than an ACMI carrier. As I said no such thing, nor insinuated such, do you really think you should attribute your words to me? Start with honesty. It will get you much more traction.
Dance with the one that brung ya. There are a lot of people working for ACMI carriers who are stellar individuals, who have been doing it a long time and who are outstanding aviators. Let's not be putting them down, or their employers, simply because they don't earn as much.
I've worked for a lot of employers over the years. Some paid very well, some not so well. When I accepted a wage, I didn't whine or ***** about it once I took the job. I did the job, and I made every effort to like the job and carry a good attitude. What I never did was look down on the neighbor and berate them because they weren't doing as well as I.
I can make six figures and get six months off flying a single engine airplane and take a significant pay cut to go to many of these operators. It's a different kind of flying, and a comparison is not to be made. It's not a slight on the operators, or what they do, or what I do. Different jobs, different aircraft, different people, different skill sets, and very different mentalities.
There's no question that there are and have been less desirable operators located in Miami. This particular thread is about WGA, which is not a "scum bag operator." I submit that if one doesn't wish to work for WGA (or any other operator), then nobody is placing the muzzle of a gun to that person's forehead and forcing the issue. Work elsewhere. Be free. Be happy. No need to **** on the other guy. Don't like his schedule? Don't like his pay? Don't like his wife, his cherios, his pizza? You don't need to fly it, earn it, marry her, or eat it. Problem solved. Move on.
I don't think the employee of a single ACMI operator has any doubt that there's not room for improvement; often, substantial room.
A curiosity that has intrigued me as I've followed the various threads, be it cargo, major, regional, corporate, fractional, etc, is that there is virtually no complaining from the WGA guys...all the whining and all the *****ing comes from outside sources. All the put-downs, too. In fact, the WGA guys, for whatever reason, stand out somewhat in that regard. Is it because they don't bother to post, or are afraid to do so, or are satisfied, or have better things to do? No idea, but this simple fact as stood out to me more than any other about that particular group, and I find it interesting.
At no time have I hinted to, pointed at, or insinuated that ACMI is better, for any reason, but you don't hear me tearing it down. When people move up the food chain, so to speak, to higher wages and more prestige, I'm perpetually sickened by their need to look down their noses at the rest of the world, beaks which are often stuck so high in the air that it must be snowing on their feeble brains. Enough. Perhaps when one becomes so proud of one's self to activate that gene, the rest of the world looks like trash. Funny thing is, verbalizing that sad mentality only speaks to the poster, not the landscape.
Someone asked about WGA, its hiring and what it has to offer, and the peanut gallery has nothing to offer but insults, put downs, and disparagement. Does a single one of them actually work for WGA or have anything to offer the poster who asked for help? Bueller? Bueller?
I'd like to hear the answer too...from someone who actually works there.
11-28-2018, 08:41 AM
#87
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Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 475
I don't take it personally. Just not a fan of hubris.
I said nothing about slave ship, nor have I ever said "best kept secret."
Many of those doing ACMI aren't going to wind up hiring on to UPS, et al. Not everyone does, not everyone gets to, not every can, not everyone is qualified. To insinuate that those working for ACMI, or the employers themselves are somehow "bottom feeders," is pure, unadulterated horse ****, arrogant hubris.
You quoted me and asked if I really think one can't get 13 days off anywhere than an ACMI carrier. As I said no such thing, nor insinuated such, do you really think you should attribute your words to me? Start with honesty. It will get you much more traction.
Dance with the one that brung ya. There are a lot of people working for ACMI carriers who are stellar individuals, who have been doing it a long time and who are outstanding aviators. Let's not be putting them down, or their employers, simply because they don't earn as much.
I've worked for a lot of employers over the years. Some paid very well, some not so well. When I accepted a wage, I didn't whine or ***** about it once I took the job. I did the job, and I made every effort to like the job and carry a good attitude. What I never did was look down on the neighbor and berate them because they weren't doing as well as I.
I can make six figures and get six months off flying a single engine airplane and take a significant pay cut to go to many of these operators. It's a different kind of flying, and a comparison is not to be made. It's not a slight on the operators, or what they do, or what I do. Different jobs, different aircraft, different people, different skill sets, and very different mentalities.
There's no question that there are and have been less desirable operators located in Miami. This particular thread is about WGA, which is not a "scum bag operator." I submit that if one doesn't wish to work for WGA (or any other operator), then nobody is placing the muzzle of a gun to that person's forehead and forcing the issue. Work elsewhere. Be free. Be happy. No need to **** on the other guy. Don't like his schedule? Don't like his pay? Don't like his wife, his cherios, his pizza? You don't need to fly it, earn it, marry her, or eat it. Problem solved. Move on.
I don't think the employee of a single ACMI operator has any doubt that there's not room for improvement; often, substantial room.
A curiosity that has intrigued me as I've followed the various threads, be it cargo, major, regional, corporate, fractional, etc, is that there is virtually no complaining from the WGA guys...all the whining and all the *****ing comes from outside sources. All the put-downs, too. In fact, the WGA guys, for whatever reason, stand out somewhat in that regard. Is it because they don't bother to post, or are afraid to do so, or are satisfied, or have better things to do? No idea, but this simple fact as stood out to me more than any other about that particular group, and I find it interesting.
At no time have I hinted to, pointed at, or insinuated that ACMI is better, for any reason, but you don't hear me tearing it down. When people move up the food chain, so to speak, to higher wages and more prestige, I'm perpetually sickened by their need to look down their noses at the rest of the world, beaks which are often stuck so high in the air that it must be snowing on their feeble brains. Enough. Perhaps when one becomes so proud of one's self to activate that gene, the rest of the world looks like trash. Funny thing is, verbalizing that sad mentality only speaks to the poster, not the landscape.
Someone asked about WGA, its hiring and what it has to offer, and the peanut gallery has nothing to offer but insults, put downs, and disparagement. Does a single one of them actually work for WGA or have anything to offer the poster who asked for help? Bueller? Bueller?
I'd like to hear the answer too...from someone who actually works there.
I said nothing about slave ship, nor have I ever said "best kept secret."
Many of those doing ACMI aren't going to wind up hiring on to UPS, et al. Not everyone does, not everyone gets to, not every can, not everyone is qualified. To insinuate that those working for ACMI, or the employers themselves are somehow "bottom feeders," is pure, unadulterated horse ****, arrogant hubris.
You quoted me and asked if I really think one can't get 13 days off anywhere than an ACMI carrier. As I said no such thing, nor insinuated such, do you really think you should attribute your words to me? Start with honesty. It will get you much more traction.
Dance with the one that brung ya. There are a lot of people working for ACMI carriers who are stellar individuals, who have been doing it a long time and who are outstanding aviators. Let's not be putting them down, or their employers, simply because they don't earn as much.
I've worked for a lot of employers over the years. Some paid very well, some not so well. When I accepted a wage, I didn't whine or ***** about it once I took the job. I did the job, and I made every effort to like the job and carry a good attitude. What I never did was look down on the neighbor and berate them because they weren't doing as well as I.
I can make six figures and get six months off flying a single engine airplane and take a significant pay cut to go to many of these operators. It's a different kind of flying, and a comparison is not to be made. It's not a slight on the operators, or what they do, or what I do. Different jobs, different aircraft, different people, different skill sets, and very different mentalities.
There's no question that there are and have been less desirable operators located in Miami. This particular thread is about WGA, which is not a "scum bag operator." I submit that if one doesn't wish to work for WGA (or any other operator), then nobody is placing the muzzle of a gun to that person's forehead and forcing the issue. Work elsewhere. Be free. Be happy. No need to **** on the other guy. Don't like his schedule? Don't like his pay? Don't like his wife, his cherios, his pizza? You don't need to fly it, earn it, marry her, or eat it. Problem solved. Move on.
I don't think the employee of a single ACMI operator has any doubt that there's not room for improvement; often, substantial room.
A curiosity that has intrigued me as I've followed the various threads, be it cargo, major, regional, corporate, fractional, etc, is that there is virtually no complaining from the WGA guys...all the whining and all the *****ing comes from outside sources. All the put-downs, too. In fact, the WGA guys, for whatever reason, stand out somewhat in that regard. Is it because they don't bother to post, or are afraid to do so, or are satisfied, or have better things to do? No idea, but this simple fact as stood out to me more than any other about that particular group, and I find it interesting.
At no time have I hinted to, pointed at, or insinuated that ACMI is better, for any reason, but you don't hear me tearing it down. When people move up the food chain, so to speak, to higher wages and more prestige, I'm perpetually sickened by their need to look down their noses at the rest of the world, beaks which are often stuck so high in the air that it must be snowing on their feeble brains. Enough. Perhaps when one becomes so proud of one's self to activate that gene, the rest of the world looks like trash. Funny thing is, verbalizing that sad mentality only speaks to the poster, not the landscape.
Someone asked about WGA, its hiring and what it has to offer, and the peanut gallery has nothing to offer but insults, put downs, and disparagement. Does a single one of them actually work for WGA or have anything to offer the poster who asked for help? Bueller? Bueller?
I'd like to hear the answer too...from someone who actually works there.
Not all ACMIs pilots are bottom feeders, but ALL ACMI operators as a whole are bottom feeders. The rest of your rambling was too long, strange and incoherent to read.
11-28-2018, 09:20 AM
#88
Disinterested Third Party
Joined APC: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,264
And there's that lack of reading comprehension. Work on that.
11-28-2018, 04:20 PM
#90
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 216
The WGA chat seems pretty quiet compared to some of the other ACMI companies, so I guess that can be taken as a good thing. But looking at what they have to offer they seem kinda of behind on a lot of aspects. 17 days on, Junior manning, Economy tickets, daily payrates that make it impossible to credit more without working into your days off. Am I missing the forest for the trees or are my assumptions pretty correct estimating the lifestyle of WGA folks?
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