Psa, pdt, env?
10-11-2016, 06:39 AM
#31
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And Envoy has all commutable/hub bases.
We could go around and around all day, but each person values something different.
Want a quick upgrade? Go to PDT.
Want a flexible schedule? PSA has what you want.
Want a commutable base? Envoy has 3.
As far as the flow goes, there's too many variables to give an exact time, but for now Envoy and PDT have the better deal.
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We could go around and around all day, but each person values something different.
Want a quick upgrade? Go to PDT.
Want a flexible schedule? PSA has what you want.
Want a commutable base? Envoy has 3.
As far as the flow goes, there's too many variables to give an exact time, but for now Envoy and PDT have the better deal.
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10-11-2016, 06:41 AM
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10-11-2016, 06:57 AM
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10-11-2016, 07:10 AM
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Last month, for at least a Build Up Line, it was:
CLT - May 2016
CVG - March 2016
DAY - June 2016
TYS - May 2015
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10-11-2016, 08:00 AM
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I really, really hope that when I talk about Envoy I don't sound like CLT Guy when he talks about PSA.
Just in case, I'm taking a break from this forum. Congratulations to all Envoy pilots who are upgrading on this bid...remember there will be another in December and every 2-3 months from here on out.
I wish all 3 wholly owned airlines the best. I truly believe with all my heart there are no better airlines to work for these days than Envoy, PSA, and Piedmont.
See you guys on the other side.
Just in case, I'm taking a break from this forum. Congratulations to all Envoy pilots who are upgrading on this bid...remember there will be another in December and every 2-3 months from here on out.
I wish all 3 wholly owned airlines the best. I truly believe with all my heart there are no better airlines to work for these days than Envoy, PSA, and Piedmont.
See you guys on the other side.
10-11-2016, 08:11 AM
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10-11-2016, 08:18 AM
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I really, really hope that when I talk about Envoy I don't sound like CLT Guy when he talks about PSA.
Just in case, I'm taking a break from this forum. Congratulations to all Envoy pilots who are upgrading on this bid...remember there will be another in December and every 2-3 months from here on out.
I wish all 3 wholly owned airlines the best. I truly believe with all my heart there are no better airlines to work for these days than Envoy, PSA, and Piedmont.
See you guys on the other side.
Just in case, I'm taking a break from this forum. Congratulations to all Envoy pilots who are upgrading on this bid...remember there will be another in December and every 2-3 months from here on out.
I wish all 3 wholly owned airlines the best. I truly believe with all my heart there are no better airlines to work for these days than Envoy, PSA, and Piedmont.
See you guys on the other side.
The truth is that PSA has a very good QOL, a very short reserve/upgrade time, and is a good option. There are some arrogant bullies on APC that like to put PSA down, but we have a good airline with a good future. They tell half truths about the history, and use words to take out their frustrations about the failures of their own airline/MEC/management.
PSA was accused of taking "concessions", but as you can see, the MEC played their cards well, and took good improvements and won in the end.
As far as the flow goes, our current terms are not the best of the 3 - maybe. We are currently in negotiations on improving this. We will see what happens. But, I can say that we are currently flowing pilots that were hired in 2007, which is better than the other 2. PDT and PSA are increasing the number that they are flowing, while Envoy is decreasing it's number going forward.
Our attrition is high right now, losing 28 off of the list last month (not counting those that flowed). Of those, 10 were captains. If you include the 7 that flowed, we lost 17 captains last month. That is not bad, and people are upgrading and moving up the list quickly.
If we can get to 100 flow/year in 2017, then those pilots hired in 2014 will flow in 2019-2021, so a 5-7 year flow. It is not great, but it is far from terrible.
New hires today should not really be too concerned with a flow times anyway. The majors need to hire more pilots in the next 5 years than are currently flying at all off the regionals combined. The flow is a great back-up, in case you screw up an interview or two, it provides a guaranteed job, but you should be able to get hired outside of the flow faster than the flow anyway.
10-11-2016, 08:20 AM
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I think that he is saying that your schedules are terrible, and not commutable. At least for the first few years of being on reserve, and then for the first few years of being a line holder.
10-11-2016, 08:35 AM
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Thank you, I'll take that as a compliment.
The truth is that PSA has a very good QOL, a very short reserve/upgrade time, and is a good option. There are some arrogant bullies on APC that like to put PSA down, but we have a good airline with a good future. They tell half truths about the history, and use words to take out their frustrations about the failures of their own airline/MEC/management.
PSA was accused of taking "concessions", but as you can see, the MEC played their cards well, and took good improvements and won in the end.
As far as the flow goes, our current terms are not the best of the 3 - maybe. We are currently in negotiations on improving this. We will see what happens. But, I can say that we are currently flowing pilots that were hired in 2007, which is better than the other 2. PDT and PSA are increasing the number that they are flowing, while Envoy is decreasing it's number going forward.
Our attrition is high right now, losing 28 off of the list last month (not counting those that flowed). Of those, 10 were captains. If you include the 7 that flowed, we lost 17 captains last month. That is not bad, and people are upgrading and moving up the list quickly.
If we can get to 100 flow/year in 2017, then those pilots hired in 2014 will flow in 2019-2021, so a 5-7 year flow. It is not great, but it is far from terrible.
New hires today should not really be too concerned with a flow times anyway. The majors need to hire more pilots in the next 5 years than are currently flying at all off the regionals combined. The flow is a great back-up, in case you screw up an interview or two, it provides a guaranteed job, but you should be able to get hired outside of the flow faster than the flow anyway.
The truth is that PSA has a very good QOL, a very short reserve/upgrade time, and is a good option. There are some arrogant bullies on APC that like to put PSA down, but we have a good airline with a good future. They tell half truths about the history, and use words to take out their frustrations about the failures of their own airline/MEC/management.
PSA was accused of taking "concessions", but as you can see, the MEC played their cards well, and took good improvements and won in the end.
As far as the flow goes, our current terms are not the best of the 3 - maybe. We are currently in negotiations on improving this. We will see what happens. But, I can say that we are currently flowing pilots that were hired in 2007, which is better than the other 2. PDT and PSA are increasing the number that they are flowing, while Envoy is decreasing it's number going forward.
Our attrition is high right now, losing 28 off of the list last month (not counting those that flowed). Of those, 10 were captains. If you include the 7 that flowed, we lost 17 captains last month. That is not bad, and people are upgrading and moving up the list quickly.
If we can get to 100 flow/year in 2017, then those pilots hired in 2014 will flow in 2019-2021, so a 5-7 year flow. It is not great, but it is far from terrible.
New hires today should not really be too concerned with a flow times anyway. The majors need to hire more pilots in the next 5 years than are currently flying at all off the regionals combined. The flow is a great back-up, in case you screw up an interview or two, it provides a guaranteed job, but you should be able to get hired outside of the flow faster than the flow anyway.
Bar napkin math says 1500/100 is 15 years to flow. Care to elaborate on how you arrived at the conclusion that its roughly the same as PDT/ENY?
Not trying to be a jerk, genuinely interested in how this works out as I am not familiar with PSA's flow at all.
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