Skyhawk92

I work at PSA and care not one bit about the flow. It's currently at 10 years and I don't see it getting any quicker. Yeah, it's a backup to my backup plan. But I plan to get out before then.

As far as upgrades, currently guys that have been here 2 years are upgrading, but the amount of pilots hired within that time and mid 2015 is massive. I have been at PSA over a year and a half and have 230 FOs between the guys that just upgraded and me...plus the senior FOs waiting to upgrade to hold a line.

prex8390

Looking for flow now is like looking for a cfi pipeline program in 2010. Won't matter in a few years

flyviper

I disagree, as mentioned so many times what's the negative going to a regional with a flow? Especially with the pay increase recently. There's almost no downside (except base choices.)

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CLT Guy

PSA has the best quality of life of any of the WO. Period.

The SAP is an amazing tool that no other regional can touch.

Our upgrade time is 2 years, and time to hold a line is much less.

We are receiving at least 35 more airplanes, which means that everyone on property now should be a Captain in the next 24 months or less (18 months if qualified is the current prediction), and anyone hired now will be able to hold a line within a month or two of finishing class (again, a projection based on solid numbers).

We are flowing 60 a year right now, which should increase to 100/year+ before 2017 is over. The flow CAN NOT be throttled back as someone else mentioned. They can delay people going to class for a month or two, but it has to be made up by the end of the year. They can not flow less in a year than required.

Our president was previously in charge of all of the regionals for AAG, and was put here for a reason. He is to grow the company to a 200 airplane, 2000+ pilot group. He and Isom are old friends, and that is exactly what is happening now that Kirby is gone.

Mr Rumbold

does PDT plan to expand their routes for the 145 at all?
When I stalk them on flightaware.com, they don't seem to have a lot of 145 routes going on….
flow would still be ~5 years or so? but upgrade pretty quick if you come in w/ 121 time? (I'd have roughly 1000)

FlameNSky

Problem with your reasoning is, if you're right, it won't have mattered if a person went to an AA Wholly Owned. But if you're wrong, and someone went to SkyWest or RAH, by the time they realize that some random airline pilot wasn't the industry expert he thought he was, it will be too late and they will have done lasting damage to their careers.

Seems to me, choosing envoy or Piedmont has all of the upside without the risk. Even in the absolute worst case scenario, that pilot would be in no worst position then he would if he went to a regional without a (true) flow.

CLT Guy

The flow is worth having as a backup plan. PSA had more pilots get hired by Delta this month than by AA. Hopefully that will continue with a couple dozen pilots getting times at the Delta job fair in Atlanta later this month.

Wink

We are at DEC for the Dash, most jr jet ca has been on property roughly 7 months.

cali2797

These numbers are disingenuous at best. You Piedmont guys need to stop trying to trick your perspective new hires. You can't count average attrition. For one these numbers will vary greatly month to month, and with the new pay scales your attrition will start trending toward zero. Also, when you use total attrition, you will inadvertently capture attrition on the low end as well, not just captains and senior FO's. This will skew your projections. If you are trying to give an applicant an unbiased opinion, do what Envoy does. Give them the numbers based on pilots on property and flow rate. If they want to add in attrition themselves then let them do that. Piedmont's attrition to other airlines is no different than all the rest (percentage wise). So let's just assume that is a constant. I will give you the 100 senior pilot argument for now, but there is nothing to say that won't change. If management suddenly decides that those pilots are too expensive and goes after them, they may change their minds and flow. So the real Piedmont flow is... 3 pilots per month (could go up to 4 if total pilots on property reaches 478 I think) times 12 months = 36 pilots per year. With that flow rate and 369 pilots to wait in line for, it will take you 10.25 years to flow to American. If it goes up to 4 then that's 7.68 years to flow. These are the hard numbers, if you want to throw in attrition, which is unpredictable and will go down as the environment gets better, then go ahead. The numbers Envoy quotes do not have any attrition except known retirements. So at just under six years Envoy has the fastest flow, if you want to throw in average attrition on top be my guest. It is between 10-15 per month, you can do the math. Sorry for the rant, I just get tired of Piedmont trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes.

flyviper

I really don't understand why we argue about all these #s, at the end of the day, all WOs will have similar flow and contract. The only thing different as of now is upgrade time at pdt.

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