RyanP

The thread was salvaged and actually possibly somewhat useful to the original poster by not putting "Envoy" in the title. Those guys missed it on their morning Envoy hate scan of threads to derail.

Let this be a lesson to anyone else that needs advice around here

freezingflyboy

Oooooh famous last words. If I had a dollar for every guy I flew with who "was finishing his degree" ...for the last 10 years... I wouldn't need this gig.

freezingflyboy

Bahahaha! Very mature. Did you stomp your feet when you typed that?

RyanP

I have flown with several new FO's lately at Envoy that have done the instructor pipeline program. I haven't heard them complaining or saying anything bad about it. I never really asked details about it, but they said they liked having the benefits before working here and seem to be pretty optimistic about the future.

missionhcky09

Recently hired at Envoy and you'll be about my age when you are hired at a regional. This is my first post and I've been reading here for a while but I felt I needed to take the time before you feel like the world is ending.

I've only worked at Envoy for a short time but since I have been here it has been nothing but good news. I chose Envoy because my goal is to be at American and this is clearly the best path, as of now to get there. On that note, when I was looking for a regional this forum made me feel like I should either quit flying and do something else or just kill myself because life is miserable.

For some reason, a lot of pilots like to go on forums and act like their life is miserable. On the line and talking to pilots in real life, they don't complain nearly as much. It isn't as glorious as you think it will be but I doubt it will be as bad as people on here say.

Advice: Take everything here with a very large grain of salt. PM me if you have any questions.

freezingflyboy

Ok, you heard some bad things. What are your other options? Are they any better? At 340 hours and a wet commercial, I suspect not.

You tell me. What has your research told you? Off the top of my head, I know that Endeavor, Piedmont, Trans States, ExpressJet and others are offering various recruiting deals and enticements. As with all things, the devil is in the details and it's up to you to dive in and figure out which one is the best deal for your personal situation. If you want someone to just tell you what to do, that is a huge mistake.

Hard to say. What is important to you? Time at home? Pay? A neeto plane? Underwing jet time?

No. The company will not offer you a thing. Ever. Go look at some flight schedules out of where you want to live (PBI in this case). See where all those flights go? That's where you can fly to non-stop. Want to go someplace else? Now you're two legging it (at least).

No. If the contract rates go up and you're on the seniority list, your pay goes up in accordance with the contract.

If a mountain of information and a feeling like you're drinking from a firehose is off-putting to you, then you may be right. Because that will be a consistent theme throughout your career.

Hard to say really. There are so many variables and factors, in and out of your control that go into that. Hell, if you WANT to be on reserve you could be on reserve any time you want. And plenty of very senior guys and gals do.

Again, lot of variables. Multiply the hourly rate for the airline and equipment you are looking at by 1000 and that will get you in the ballpark. Divide by 12 and you will have an idea of your monthly pay. What you take home will depend on insurance elections, 401k deferrals, etc

Yes, with 340 hours a year at the VERY least. And yes, a lot of things will change. Possibly everything. At least you're thinking about this stuff now but it's likely that a year from now, none of these answers will be valid. And you may have completely different questions or concerns.

Ha! Plenty of folks have made the RIGHT decision and messed up 10 or more years of their life. You make the best decision with the information you have and you don't worry about the rest. You're gonna stumble in this career, we all do. What matters is what you do next. Dwell and circle the bowl of misery like many? Or do what's in your power to make the most out of a situation, move forward and make you and your family happy?

bmrd

Well they offered to pay for my CFI/CFII, not my MEI. If I get the job at envoy they say they would place me at American flyers in pompano Florida.
Could you give me some insight as to why I wouldn't want to work there? Their instructors are full time and spoon fed students, it would be such a great opportunity to build time.

As for the other regionals offering this, the only one I've seen is express jet.
Does endeavor offer something similar to what envoy is doing? I haven't seen anything about it online.

Thank you again everyone for all the great advice and not just being envoy haters and flaming my thread. I really do appreciate it.

One more question: What should I expect from an interview with Envoy? I'll only have my commercial multi and instrument. I'm 22 years old and I don't have that much experience.

Do I even have a chance at getting passed this interview?

missionhcky09

Get the book "Everything Explained for the Professional Pilot" and focus on 121 T/O mins, T/O alternate mins, Alternate Req's, Exemption 3585, the basics of a jet engine and high altitude aerodynamics. Also, if you've never used Jeppesen charts, get used to those. Read a STAR, Airport Diagram and be able to brief an approach. Those things will be on ANY regional interview.

Aviationinterviews . com has everything you need to know about the interview. It is super laid back. If you can get a hold of a Baron simulator and practice some approaches.

I went to AF for my CFI/CFII. Some people have problems with the Puppy Mill type schools as it is just a lot of cruise time building. I didn't teach at one and I'm happy for it but if you want to build a lot of time quick, it is the way to do it. And as everyone says, seniority is everything.

On the MEI note, regionals will take you at 25 hours multi these days. So don't even worry about an MEI. I wasted money getting mine that I never even used...

bmrd

Thank you for that valuable information

adspilot

I have no information for AF in FL. I only have heard negatives from AF at the Addison airport in Dallas. I worked out of that airport and the DPEs that I used always had complaints about them. AF in Fl might be a completely different story though.

Not sure about your interview but they are just making sure you aren't dumb as sh*t. Guys I never thought would pass the interview passed it. Just ask around here and I'm sure someone else can give you details on it. I don't think it would be too far off the interview gouge from the regular interview.