22 years old seeking advice
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Those are all valid points. I never have planned on getting a bachelors degree in anything having to do with aviation for those exact reasons.
I understand i have a while before i'm ATP eligible. That being said, the only reason i'm here bringing any of this up is because envoy wanted to interview me when i get my commercial multi, which is in less than 2 months from now.
One more question. If i plan on commuting, how can i tell how many legs my commute will be? Do i literally just go to american airlines website and see if they have direct routes anywhere out of florida to my base?
Thanks for your input and advice
I understand i have a while before i'm ATP eligible. That being said, the only reason i'm here bringing any of this up is because envoy wanted to interview me when i get my commercial multi, which is in less than 2 months from now.
One more question. If i plan on commuting, how can i tell how many legs my commute will be? Do i literally just go to american airlines website and see if they have direct routes anywhere out of florida to my base?
Thanks for your input and advice
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Reserve time frames are strongly dependent on the growth/hiring of the airline at the time that you get hired. Can be as short as a few months or as long as a few years. Just depends. Commuting to Reserve and sitting around a crashpad/hotel is not very enjoyable.
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If you stay on the civilian path, look for leadership opportunities within your flight school. Chief pilot, assistant CP, et al. Anything to give future HR and Captain reps the impression you want to make your current employer a better place. Find ways to carve out niches for yourself. They exist but you have to understand where the need is within your organization. If you hear chatter about someone vacating a post, go talk to the boss in charge face to face. Express your interest to get involved in more than just flying and gaining hours.
I can't speak for the other legacies, but Delta values immensely a wholistic approach to your resume. Show a passion for more than just the flying aspect of aviation. To reiterate what someone else above said, the 4-year degree will be very important in distinguishing yourself amongst your peers as well as serve as a fallback in the event something horrendous happens to our industry.
I can't speak for the other legacies, but Delta values immensely a wholistic approach to your resume. Show a passion for more than just the flying aspect of aviation. To reiterate what someone else above said, the 4-year degree will be very important in distinguishing yourself amongst your peers as well as serve as a fallback in the event something horrendous happens to our industry.
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My expenses are practically 0. Car insurance i guess, utilities, practically nothing.
I'm not even all that obsessed with going to a major as fast as possible, as long as i can get to captain at a regional and make 70k a year, i dont see a problem with that.
Thanks for your input
I'm not even all that obsessed with going to a major as fast as possible, as long as i can get to captain at a regional and make 70k a year, i dont see a problem with that.
Thanks for your input
No problem. Believe me, once you get to a regional you're going to want to be at a major. Regional captain pay will not be enough the older you get. Just speaking from life experience here and I probably felt a similar way when I was that age.
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Make sure you have a 4 year degree that works as a backup career. Scoff about it at 22, but at only 8 years your senior, I've already had to stare down the barrel of being forced into another path. Use the time to get a degree in your 2nd love in terms of career, or go all in and find the quickest combo to 4 year bachelors and hour reduction. Beyond that, seniority is everything. Look around and figure out the quickest path to a seniority number. With the R-ATP, look at what pieces are needed to start at 1000 hours vs 1200/1500. Mainly, it's a degree and from certain schools and majors. Figure out which ones you can do online. The biggest obstacle you have is hours, and end state of a degree. So find out which degree lowers the hour requirement and attack the program to get it all done and start ASAP in 121. Which regional? Plenty of threads on that. Biggest factor is hire-ability, which is the hours and degree combo. Lowest denominator is quickest time to succeed.
In any path, make sure you have a 4-year bachelors if you want a "majors career" in the future. If you can't get an hours reduction with qualifying prerequisite classes, and further classes for a 4-year for an hour reduction not being feasible, get a major in a field you would enjoy working in. You never know what medical stuff will pop up, even if your family history is stellar. On the other hand, if you can get a degree online, in line with flight time growth, for a reduction in hiring hours, do that. It's always an option to get a masters in another field, online, when flying airplanes (making a living) in the airline world. Getting into the airline world as soon as possible only enhances the long term career plans, but a 4-yr degree is needed to fly for a major. Yes, there are abnormalities, but that's the premise.
In any path, make sure you have a 4-year bachelors if you want a "majors career" in the future. If you can't get an hours reduction with qualifying prerequisite classes, and further classes for a 4-year for an hour reduction not being feasible, get a major in a field you would enjoy working in. You never know what medical stuff will pop up, even if your family history is stellar. On the other hand, if you can get a degree online, in line with flight time growth, for a reduction in hiring hours, do that. It's always an option to get a masters in another field, online, when flying airplanes (making a living) in the airline world. Getting into the airline world as soon as possible only enhances the long term career plans, but a 4-yr degree is needed to fly for a major. Yes, there are abnormalities, but that's the premise.
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Four-year degree is NOT required when utilizing AA's flow-thru program via its wholly owneds (envoy, Piedmont, and PSA.) But like the other posters I would recommend getting a four year degree at some point in a filed other then aviation. Getting hours and then a seniority number at a 121 airline should be first on the priority list right now, however.
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Four-year degree is NOT required when utilizing AA's flow-thru program via its wholly owneds (envoy, Piedmont, and PSA.) But like the other posters I would recommend getting a four year degree at some point in a filed other then aviation. Getting hours and then a seniority number at a 121 airline should be first on the priority list right now, however.
If it is true however, I guess when i get my bachelors degree ill be even more competitive. Thank you again
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AS degree?...Expect a BS or BA at an accredited college to take another 3 years. Remember your competing for a job. Short cuts to a Major gig are far and few these days.
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Well i dont intend on taking any short cuts. I just figured since i've got at least a year of flight instructing ahead of me, and over 5 years at a regional, i could take care of the other 2-3 years of college during that time. Online classes
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I'm extremely hopeful and optimistic, and becoming a major airline pilot has always been my dream, but even i find it a little suspicious that envoy would advertise not needing a bachelors degree to utilize the flow through program to American. That just seems highly unlikely.
If it is true however, I guess when i get my bachelors degree ill be even more competitive. Thank you again
If it is true however, I guess when i get my bachelors degree ill be even more competitive. Thank you again
I won't try to give advise on airlines such as Skywest or Endeavour as I do not work there, however I would advise highly against going to lower tier operations such as Mesa or TSA.
Good luck in your search. The best advise I can offer in making a decision is to research the different airlines on APC and come to your own decision. Try and weed out the negative comments made by the usual suspects who have ulterior motives, even though a few dominate these message boards. They make it difficult and time consuming for new people like yourself to get accurate and truthful information, but such is life.
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