Going Expat Hurt My Career
08-05-2015, 08:49 PM
#31
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: Stretch DC-9 Gear Slinger
Posts: 617
Well I spoke to many laborers doing construction here and they say they work hard and earn $500 U.S Dollars a month plus an apartment to share with many other guys....Now, a new regional airline pilot in America makes a $1,000 Dollars a month after taxes and has to get a crashpad and car so that leaves him with the exact same amount as the laborer in Qatar...lol...See my point...What just happened
here?
here?
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2014/jul/29/qatar-world-cup-stadium-workers-earn-45p-hour
08-05-2015, 09:44 PM
#32
Banned
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Posts: 167
This is nothing new...I don't agree with their low pay...I think the laborers should make much more the same way I think regional pilots should make much more...What I think does not matter to anyone n therefore all I can do is observe and have an opinion...
08-06-2015, 01:12 AM
#33
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: 767
Posts: 84
Don't do it!
There is some misleading information on here. After some years in the ME, I can count on 1 hand the people who directly left *my* airline for a job at a U.S. Major, and 1 to an LCC. 2 others went back to UAL after some time on furlough.
Consider this. You're going to sign a 3-5 year bond. You have to give 90 days notice out here to collect your end of service bonus $$. You're also at least a 12 hour flight and 8 time zones away from a possible interview, IF you can actually get the days off to attend it. If you book off sick for the interview you better get the job, because you'll be at risk of being fired. If you bring a family out here you'll have to stay for around 3 years to break even financially (don't let the "tax free" thing fool you, life in the UAE and Qatar are much more expensive than the most of the USA.) Living abroad may disqualify you from Fedex, arguably the highest paying job in the USA. There is generally no seniority system in the ME3 and politics is the main factor that will determine your advancement. And on top of all this you'll have to get used to encounters with some people who really really really don't like Americans. One of my line checks was mostly getting yelled at by some guy from Argentina about US politics. And the endless snide, antisemitic remarks made by local pilots, etc etc etc.
If I were you I would go to every job fair and work every angle you can to get some advancement stateside. Work in the Middle East and as an expat in general is a last chance job; companies like Qatar and Korean are always hiring for a reason. Air Japan is probably the only reasonably good place to work.
You also need to focus on stuff like this: living in America is generally cheap and easy, your family is probably nearby, you can go on vacation in places like Hawaii, Florida, California, and Colorado; everyone at your job probably speaks English, you aren't flying over/into active war zones, you can go to baseball/basketball/football/hockey games all year and you can buy a six pack of you're favorite barley pop and a pound of bacon in any grocery store, and oh yeah you can shop at Target. That's just for starters.
Working here will give you some good experience in your logbook but it's doing things the hard way. Don't come to the sandbox.
Consider this. You're going to sign a 3-5 year bond. You have to give 90 days notice out here to collect your end of service bonus $$. You're also at least a 12 hour flight and 8 time zones away from a possible interview, IF you can actually get the days off to attend it. If you book off sick for the interview you better get the job, because you'll be at risk of being fired. If you bring a family out here you'll have to stay for around 3 years to break even financially (don't let the "tax free" thing fool you, life in the UAE and Qatar are much more expensive than the most of the USA.) Living abroad may disqualify you from Fedex, arguably the highest paying job in the USA. There is generally no seniority system in the ME3 and politics is the main factor that will determine your advancement. And on top of all this you'll have to get used to encounters with some people who really really really don't like Americans. One of my line checks was mostly getting yelled at by some guy from Argentina about US politics. And the endless snide, antisemitic remarks made by local pilots, etc etc etc.
If I were you I would go to every job fair and work every angle you can to get some advancement stateside. Work in the Middle East and as an expat in general is a last chance job; companies like Qatar and Korean are always hiring for a reason. Air Japan is probably the only reasonably good place to work.
You also need to focus on stuff like this: living in America is generally cheap and easy, your family is probably nearby, you can go on vacation in places like Hawaii, Florida, California, and Colorado; everyone at your job probably speaks English, you aren't flying over/into active war zones, you can go to baseball/basketball/football/hockey games all year and you can buy a six pack of you're favorite barley pop and a pound of bacon in any grocery store, and oh yeah you can shop at Target. That's just for starters.
Working here will give you some good experience in your logbook but it's doing things the hard way. Don't come to the sandbox.
08-09-2015, 10:56 PM
#34
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: CRJ Left/Right
Posts: 160
Hey slaveaway
Many of the Foreign Carriers have LARGE Bonds that will have to be paid if you do not complete the Specified Service... If getting on with a USA Major is the goal make SURE you can leave and not have a huge bill... Many of the Contract jobs in Asia do not have bonds and only a 90 day notice... I would recommend a Overseas adventure if you are the type that can adapt to a new method of doing things and a different culture... In Japan, Air Japan is hiring NTR 767 F/Os no bond... IBEX is hiring CRJ Captains no bond... Not sure of the Bond issue at China Express for the CRJ... Check out some of the Crew Leasing websites... Best of luck...
Many of the Foreign Carriers have LARGE Bonds that will have to be paid if you do not complete the Specified Service... If getting on with a USA Major is the goal make SURE you can leave and not have a huge bill... Many of the Contract jobs in Asia do not have bonds and only a 90 day notice... I would recommend a Overseas adventure if you are the type that can adapt to a new method of doing things and a different culture... In Japan, Air Japan is hiring NTR 767 F/Os no bond... IBEX is hiring CRJ Captains no bond... Not sure of the Bond issue at China Express for the CRJ... Check out some of the Crew Leasing websites... Best of luck...
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