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Old 12-01-2014, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bcpilot
By " that " if you mean that I will over prepare everytime, then YES, I will always over prepare...

I was lucky that I got to learn from very good Instructors at Flt Safety. One lesson that I learnt & I will keep with me for the rest of my life, will be to fly every leg like it was my line check or my check ride and never take ANYTHING for granted. So I prepare for every trip, every day that I may get a surprise line check..
No doubt about that. I showed my students the PTS from the beginning and taught them to fly like, and prepare for the checkride from the beginning. With a more relaxed approach at first though!!

No need to be stressed by a ride that you crash studied for. Get into that mode long before it actually starts.
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Old 12-01-2014, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Beech90
So if its your first time flying a CRJ, you must drop $4500 to get past training no matter your background? Whether it's flying single pilot IFR, or a CFI? That's BS.
The point is not dropping $4500 or adding debt; The point being discussed is 2 part question & both parts are un-related:

1) Do these transition courses actually help or not...??
2) Is it worth it to do such a course & shell out the money or NOT??

SO does it help: Like I said earlier, such a transition course, if done from the right place, can increase your odds of success significantly...

Many believe such courses are not required. I agree. that they are not required for MOST people...

Could I have made it through with this course, now when I look back, after completing the training, my answer is YES, I could have.

Was there an element of risk..... ABSOLUTELY YES.......

Was I willing to be a part of that statistic, that percentage who did not make it, hell NO.....

It's all about your odds of success & the amount of risk one is willing to take...
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Old 12-02-2014, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by bcpilot
The point is not dropping $4500 or adding debt; The point being discussed is 2 part question & both parts are un-related:

1) Do these transition courses actually help or not...??
2) Is it worth it to do such a course & shell out the money or NOT??

SO does it help: Like I said earlier, such a transition course, if done from the right place, can increase your odds of success significantly...

Many believe such courses are not required. I agree. that they are not required for MOST people...

Could I have made it through with this course, now when I look back, after completing the training, my answer is YES, I could have.

Was there an element of risk..... ABSOLUTELY YES.......

Was I willing to be a part of that statistic, that percentage who did not make it, hell NO.....

It's all about your odds of success & the amount of risk one is willing to take...
What's this "have a good positive attitude, and study three hours a night, and you'll be fine" thing I keep hearing about? I mean sure, there may be some folks that need 50 hours of sim time to get ready for a sim, but most shouldn't....

Granted I'll be going through my first 121 course in Jan, so I could just speaking out of my arse.
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Old 12-02-2014, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bcpilot
By " that " if you mean that I will over prepare everytime, then YES, I will always over prepare...

I was lucky that I got to learn from very good Instructors at Flt Safety. One lesson that I learnt & I will keep with me for the rest of my life, will be to fly every leg like it was my line check or my check ride and never take ANYTHING for granted. So I prepare for every trip, every day that I may get a surprise line check..
I like my attitude better. I do just enough not to get fired. You should try it sometime.... it's so much easier than going around being paranoid of getting a line check. I just don't give a @#$% anymore.
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Old 12-02-2014, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by bcpilot
By " that " if you mean that I will over prepare everytime, then YES, I will always over prepare...
Absolutely. But dropping thousands of dollars is usually not needed.

Originally Posted by bcpilot
I was lucky that I got to learn from very good Instructors at Flt Safety. One lesson that I learnt & I will keep with me for the rest of my life, will be to fly every leg like it was my line check or my check ride and never take ANYTHING for granted. So I prepare for every trip, every day that I may get a surprise line check..
Good plan. I've had a few "surprise line checks"...actually they were more like surprise EP&L proficiency checks.
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Old 12-02-2014, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by outaluckagain
No way would I recommend comparing yourself to other instructors as a means to determine your potential in newhire 121 training. There is no real comparison between your performance as a CFI in light twins, and a newhire in a CRJ.

Sounds like you did pretty well your first time through, but that was by no means a result of your previous CFI experience. You may have been correlating your previous success towards the CRJ, but that by no means was what got you through.

I keep hearing that automation makes it easier, but that only comes after you have learned the ropes. Your obvious quick learning style may have been a result of your personal readiness to learn at that particular point and time. It could not have been a result of your being an excellent CFI.

I do believe that your success may have been somehow correlated by you towards your CFI excellence, and this may have been what gave you the confidence........

I hear time and again how many CFI types fail due to being stuck in the CFI or single pilot mode. Transition training may help these guys.

In no way am I suggesting that people should use this mode of preperation everytime they attend a training event, but certainly their first time through 121 training, well.......
I'm not saying the CFI experience has much to do with CRJ's...but if you're a quick enough learner and good enough stick to breeze through the CFI phase you won't have any trouble with a CRJ, unless you have basic challenges using computers (pretty rare these days).
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Old 12-05-2014, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Beech90
What's this "have a good positive attitude, and study three hours a night, and you'll be fine" thing I keep hearing about? I mean sure, there may be some folks that need 50 hours of sim time to get ready for a sim, but most shouldn't....

Granted I'll be going through my first 121 course in Jan, so I could just speaking out of my arse.
Read these 2 threads...

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...raining-2.html

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ml#post1776865

Both are from the same guy, the 1st thread is from March this year..

I read this thread & took the course, it helped me...

Like I said, it all about risk management & one's appetite for risk...
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Would an airline transition course for the CRJ200 be worth it if you weren't going to be flying a CRJ200, but, an ERJ? Or should the transition course be tailored to the aircraft you will be flying?
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Old 01-07-2016, 07:31 AM
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Would an airline transition course for the CRJ200 be worth it if you weren't going to be flying a CRJ200, but, an ERJ? Or should the transition course be tailored to the aircraft you will be flying?
If you have no turbine or glass/jet time, then any glass/jet course would be a step in the right direction. But learning the wrong jet will be a "two steps forward, one step back" kind of situation so you would definitely be better off training on the correct jet.

But unless you have reason to believe that you're unusually weak as a student or pilot, most regionals these days are very accommodating with additional sim and IOE time as needed to pass.

Whether you really need to spend money of jet training to prep for regional training is something only you can evaluate.
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