danno

Hello. I do not have my ATP written, and I am a CFI.

I want to eventually fly for a major airline (American, United, etc.), but it looks like there is no way for me to get there anymore.

Are there any airlines that are trying to gain approval for the ATP CTP? Will I just have to wait around and CFI for 2+ years until there are opportunities to actually take the written? Are there any options for building turbine PIC time for other people that are in my sole-less shoes?

AF2Navy

You don't have the total time for a regional job or other part 91/135 operation?

IDIOTPILOT

The only two approved sources for the CTP are the ERAU campuses and they're only including it as part of the degree. Almost every regional is supposed to be seeking approval but I'm not sure where that's at. ATP has been advertising their course for $5K but still not approved.

PilotJ3

It's being only less than a month when the new rules went effective.

Keep doing your flight time, sometime might come out eventually. You will be fine...

Try to do something else other than flight instructing. Get a part 91 job or look for part 135.

cjgreen91

Why didn't you take the ATP written before the beginning of the month? @danno

Beech90

Ameriflight will direct hire you into the 99 if you have around 100 multi. I'm in the same position too. Age prevented me from taking the written. Anyone know when the course at ATP is expected to be approved?

cjgreen91

What do you mean by age prevented you?

JamesNoBrakes

He means he's too young.

Electra

If enough people refuse to pay for the training on their own, most regional airlines will be forced to incorporate the training into their existing programs (at no cost to their newhires) in a pretty short amount of time. Don't count on the majors to do it, since they all have thousands of applications on file from ATP-rated pilots, but as previously mentioned, keep building your time and don't do anything hasty that will put you in (possibly even more) debt. The regionals will be falling all over themselves to get people in the door as the qualified applicant pool keeps shrinking. I know SkyWest is working on it right now.

BTW, don't look at your time as a CFI as "forced" penance to suffer through until you can get to an airline. I know it's hard grinding out those hours doing touch and goes and practice approaches, but those who can, teach. It sounds trite, but hard-working CFI's tend to know and understand the most about the FAR's and are more observant and diligent about PTS standards, and that actually does translate to the flight deck. The best pilots I've flown with at my airline have all been CFI's for a decent period of time in their past.

JamesNoBrakes

There's a lot more that goes on during flight instruction than people give it credit for and it's a lot more applicable to crew environments and dealing with people on a daily basis in the same sense. You are flying with different people frequently that have different habits, you have to modify your teaching and behavior to achieve a successful outcome, because they are all different. If you are any kind of observant person (kind of important when flying planes) you'll notice there are almost infinite iterations of how someone can "screw up" and you learn from each and every one of those mistakes. Sitting there observing landing after landing you realize what really goes on and what really contributes to aircraft control, rather than just reacting automatically because someone told you to do so. You'll experience people trying to put themselves into descents and approaches without being prepared, causing extreme task overload, you'll get to realize what it means to be the person ultimately responsible for a flight, you'll get to instill habits that will prevent future accidents.

As a captain, you'll be expected to train first officers, you'll be ultimately responsible for the flight, you'll be required to deal with all kinds of different people every day, you'll have to get along with many different first officers, cabin crew and passengers, you'll have to monitor the flight and your FO to ensure they are prepared to descend and make an approach, you'll have to build and shape the FO and ensure they are demonstrating the skills and behaviors that will make them successful pilots and captains.

This isn't all that different and the attitude of "I don't want to instruct, I just want to get to an airline" completely misses the point that you'll be required to do many of the same things and demonstrate many of the same behaviors/be put under many of the same stresses. If you can't handle it at the flight instruction level, you probably can't handle it in "real life", although they are both just as "real". I can appreciate flight instruction being distasteful because one was operating under the assumption that they sacrifice and get their certificates/ratings and then get automatically hired by an airline. Most people at first operated under that assumption and as the reality has become clearer during training and progression they come to see that each step requires at least several years. That's reality unfortunately.