Originally Posted by IDIOTPILOT

I'm not sure exactly what grounds the FSDO has since the rule clearly states the air carrier is allowed to provide the training. It cannot be part of the new-hire syllabus, so a separate program will need to be made. It could be laziness on the part that now the CMO and other air carrier inspectors have to be responsible for this course, instead of letting it fall under the GA part of the FSDO.

Originally Posted by Beech90

It's amazing how the FAA is being so difficult with implement these courses, especially since the rule has been in effect for almost a month.

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Although there is lots of backlog, most of the time when a program is given to the FAA for review, there are multiple errors and issues with it. The FAA is only allowed to accept it if it's "perfect" as far as regulatory requirements and acceptance criteria are concerned. Doesn't mean it has to be a perfect program, but can't have misspellings, page numbers that don't make sense, confusing parts, contradictory parts, must meet regulations, etc. Because this unfortunately does not happen the first time, it becomes a "back and forth" between whomever submitted the program and who reviews it. Now think about all the people in the world (US) that want a program of any kind (not just ATP CTP stuff) or a modification to an existing one, and you can get an idea of the constant pulling in opposite directions that they face. This is why the rule from congress had so much lead time. If one simply didn't believe it was going to happen or thought there'd be an "out" right before the deadline, it's kind of too bad now unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Beech90

It's not available to the public.

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

There's a lot more that goes on during flight instruction than people give it credit for and it's a lot more applicable to crew environments and dealing with people on a daily basis in the same sense. You are flying with different people frequently that have different habits, you have to modify your teaching and behavior to achieve a successful outcome, because they are all different. If you are any kind of observant person (kind of important when flying planes) you'll notice there are almost infinite iterations of how someone can "screw up" and you learn from each and every one of those mistakes. Sitting there observing landing after landing you realize what really goes on and what really contributes to aircraft control, rather than just reacting automatically because someone told you to do so. You'll experience people trying to put themselves into descents and approaches without being prepared, causing extreme task overload, you'll get to realize what it means to be the person ultimately responsible for a flight, you'll get to instill habits that will prevent future accidents.

As a captain, you'll be expected to train first officers, you'll be ultimately responsible for the flight, you'll be required to deal with all kinds of different people every day, you'll have to get along with many different first officers, cabin crew and passengers, you'll have to monitor the flight and your FO to ensure they are prepared to descend and make an approach, you'll have to build and shape the FO and ensure they are demonstrating the skills and behaviors that will make them successful pilots and captains.

This isn't all that different and the attitude of "I don't want to instruct, I just want to get to an airline" completely misses the point that you'll be required to do many of the same things and demonstrate many of the same behaviors/be put under many of the same stresses. If you can't handle it at the flight instruction level, you probably can't handle it in "real life", although they are both just as "real". I can appreciate flight instruction being distasteful because one was operating under the assumption that they sacrifice and get their certificates/ratings and then get automatically hired by an airline. Most people at first operated under that assumption and as the reality has become clearer during training and progression they come to see that each step requires at least several years. That's reality unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Beech90

I'm hoping a 141/142 course such as higher power aviation will have less issues getting approved.