No ATP Written: Options?
08-19-2014, 01:40 PM
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Guys, the ATP written is going to be a non-issue. The regional airline you are hired on with will most likely sign you off to take the written exam during your airline training. Here is a link that explains it all-
How Regional Airlines might deal with new ATP written requirements | Airline Pilot Info
How Regional Airlines might deal with new ATP written requirements | Airline Pilot Info
08-19-2014, 02:06 PM
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Guys, the ATP written is going to be a non-issue. The regional airline you are hired on with will most likely sign you off to take the written exam during your airline training. Here is a link that explains it all-
How Regional Airlines might deal with new ATP written requirements | Airline Pilot Info
How Regional Airlines might deal with new ATP written requirements | Airline Pilot Info
08-19-2014, 02:21 PM
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Guys, the ATP written is going to be a non-issue. The regional airline you are hired on with will most likely sign you off to take the written exam during your airline training. Here is a link that explains it all-
How Regional Airlines might deal with new ATP written requirements | Airline Pilot Info
How Regional Airlines might deal with new ATP written requirements | Airline Pilot Info
"Because the proposed ATP CTP is part of the basic certification requirements for an ATP certificate, air carriers who elect to offer this training would be required to provide the course to their pilots prior to beginning initial training."
Regionals can do the course but it cannot specifically count as new hire training. Question is when you're seniority date is and such.
08-19-2014, 02:47 PM
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Read the actual final rule.
"Because the proposed ATP CTP is part of the basic certification requirements for an ATP certificate, air carriers who elect to offer this training would be required to provide the course to their pilots prior to beginning initial training."
Regionals can do the course but it cannot specifically count as new hire training. Question is when you're seniority date is and such.
"Because the proposed ATP CTP is part of the basic certification requirements for an ATP certificate, air carriers who elect to offer this training would be required to provide the course to their pilots prior to beginning initial training."
Regionals can do the course but it cannot specifically count as new hire training. Question is when you're seniority date is and such.
New-hires who need the written will get an extra week of training before indoc, at the company's expense. But you probably won't get paid for it...
08-19-2014, 02:59 PM
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This is 100% correct, but the regionals are still going to have to do it, and very soon, as the pool of candidates who already have the written will dry up over the next year or so.
New-hires who need the written will get an extra week of training before indoc, at the company's expense. But you probably won't get paid for it...
New-hires who need the written will get an extra week of training before indoc, at the company's expense. But you probably won't get paid for it...
08-19-2014, 03:28 PM
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Read the actual final rule.
"Because the proposed ATP CTP is part of the basic certification requirements for an ATP certificate, air carriers who elect to offer this training would be required to provide the course to their pilots prior to beginning initial training."
Regionals can do the course but it cannot specifically count as new hire training. Question is when you're seniority date is and such.
"Because the proposed ATP CTP is part of the basic certification requirements for an ATP certificate, air carriers who elect to offer this training would be required to provide the course to their pilots prior to beginning initial training."
Regionals can do the course but it cannot specifically count as new hire training. Question is when you're seniority date is and such.
Once one airline gets approval to provide the training necessary to "prospective" new hires, the rest will be able to follow. If the FAA really is forcing airlines to set up shell corporations, it will take a bit longer, but the end result will be the same: you will go through the CTP at an airline facility on the plane you will fly, you will meet the requirements, get the type rating, and then be officially hired. My guess is that in some form or fashion, you'll get paid, but it may be done after the fact to prevent a pilot from getting training from Airline A to make the jump to Airline B.
08-19-2014, 03:56 PM
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I know of a regional whose management has already looked at this in this fashion. The easy solution on paper is to train the pilot, but not actually "hire" them until all of the requirements are met. However, this particular outfit is running into resistance from the local FSDO (which has a history of being difficult to work with). The FSDO is insisting that it be done with a "different" company, which could mean that a separate entity is created within a holding company, a la the old Comair Training Academy within the Comair Holdings model.
Once one airline gets approval to provide the training necessary to "prospective" new hires, the rest will be able to follow. If the FAA really is forcing airlines to set up shell corporations, it will take a bit longer, but the end result will be the same: you will go through the CTP at an airline facility on the plane you will fly, you will meet the requirements, get the type rating, and then be officially hired. My guess is that in some form or fashion, you'll get paid, but it may be done after the fact to prevent a pilot from getting training from Airline A to make the jump to Airline B.
Once one airline gets approval to provide the training necessary to "prospective" new hires, the rest will be able to follow. If the FAA really is forcing airlines to set up shell corporations, it will take a bit longer, but the end result will be the same: you will go through the CTP at an airline facility on the plane you will fly, you will meet the requirements, get the type rating, and then be officially hired. My guess is that in some form or fashion, you'll get paid, but it may be done after the fact to prevent a pilot from getting training from Airline A to make the jump to Airline B.
08-19-2014, 04:34 PM
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I know of a regional whose management has already looked at this in this fashion. The easy solution on paper is to train the pilot, but not actually "hire" them until all of the requirements are met. However, this particular outfit is running into resistance from the local FSDO (which has a history of being difficult to work with). The FSDO is insisting that it be done with a "different" company, which could mean that a separate entity is created within a holding company, a la the old Comair Training Academy within the Comair Holdings model.
Once one airline gets approval to provide the training necessary to "prospective" new hires, the rest will be able to follow. If the FAA really is forcing airlines to set up shell corporations, it will take a bit longer, but the end result will be the same: you will go through the CTP at an airline facility on the plane you will fly, you will meet the requirements, get the type rating, and then be officially hired. My guess is that in some form or fashion, you'll get paid, but it may be done after the fact to prevent a pilot from getting training from Airline A to make the jump to Airline B.
Once one airline gets approval to provide the training necessary to "prospective" new hires, the rest will be able to follow. If the FAA really is forcing airlines to set up shell corporations, it will take a bit longer, but the end result will be the same: you will go through the CTP at an airline facility on the plane you will fly, you will meet the requirements, get the type rating, and then be officially hired. My guess is that in some form or fashion, you'll get paid, but it may be done after the fact to prevent a pilot from getting training from Airline A to make the jump to Airline B.
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